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36 Wins and 5 Losses.....

  • I guess we are actually a top 20 team since no one outside the top ten have beaten us

    bloodrunorange

  • Pioneer said...

    is the win/loss record of the teams that have beaten the Vols. Just saying let's have a little perspective here.

    Florida 7-1 - only loss to Georgia Georgia 7-1 only loss to South Carolina Miss St 7-1 only loss to Alabama Alabama 8-0 South Carolina 7-2 losses to LSU and Florida

    Unless you can replace Dooley with Gruden, I would give him one more year. With as much bad luck Dooley has had, the Vols are bound to have better luck next year.

    One can only hope the ball can bounce badly only so often... Law of averages HAS to swing the otherway at some point right?

    Tithulta

  • Pioneer said...

    Exactly! Dooley is making strides.

    IMO - Dooley embraces the school, our fans, our tradition, great with alumni and great with the media. He fixed the running game with average running backs and the kicking game is much better except for the kickers (easy fix b/c the foundation and philosophy is there, so recruit a 5 Star kicker). If the defense can get turned around, I think we can compete for league championships.

    As I have said before, if we could get Gruden, I would replace Dooley. But to replace Dooley with someone who is not a proven winner is a huge RISK.

    I would give him another year b/c he is young enough to learn from his mistakes and smart enough to capitalize on opportunities going forward.

    Completely agree with you, but Darr was ranked #1 by some services (don't remember who they were) and so was Palardy. Probably the hardest job is projecting punters and kickers.

    woody_12

  • JPSke said...

    I would rather lose to Vandy if that's what it takes to get Dooley out the door. I won't root against my team when the day comes, but looking at it from far away I can accept it if it's what it takes to get Dooley out of here.

    Plus, I just think it is going to happen. Unlike Dooley Franklin is actually a good coach, one who can get his guys to play above their talent level.

    What is Franklin's record this year? And who have they played. How is he better than Dooley at this point?

    woody_12

  • I actually do think UT is a top 25 team. Most of the non-SEC top 25 teams would not have much of a chance to come to Neyland and beat UT.

    DCVOL

  • woody_12 said...

    What is Franklin's record this year? And who have they played. How is he better than Dooley at this point?

    Exactly

    Tithulta

  • woody_12 said...

    What is Franklin's record this year? And who have they played. How is he better than Dooley at this point?

    Remember, Candy just dropped OSU and Northwestern from their schedules via us mail. So he is getting better by playing lessor teams.

    Look UT is in a no win situation with some of the fans--we drop a good team fromthe schedule and work to get some wins that way we are weak, we keep strong teams and we are not smart need to take a break from the SEC schedule. No win with some of the A-hole opinions.

    One thing is for sure-if you listen to the USCjr players post game you would realize what they said and what they thought of our coaching ability. If you are so narrow minded that your message board coaching ability is that good and choose not to open your view point then yes you are a legand in your own mind.

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    UTOsby

  • Jdbvols1 said...

    Remember, Candy just dropped OSU and Northwestern from their schedules via us mail. So he is getting better by playing lessor teams.

    Look UT is in a no win situation with some of the fans--we drop a good team fromthe schedule and work to get some wins that way we are weak, we keep strong teams and we are not smart need to take a break from the SEC schedule. No win with some of the A-hole opinions.

    One thing is for sure-if you listen to the USCjr players post game you would realize what they said and what they thought of our coaching ability. If you are so narrow minded that your message board coaching ability is that good and choose not to open your view point then yes you are a legand in your own mind.

    What did USC say? I haven't heard what they have said. And legend in my own mind? No not quite brother, just don't see how we haven't improved every year since he has gotten here. W's and L's don't always tell the whole story, but for some of this fanbase it sure seems to.

    woody_12

  • pdlglm said...

    This isn't the choice.

    Dooley isn't the only coach in the world that will run a classy program.

    This ^^^ ... Dooley isn't the only coach that can run a clean program and he's definitely a coach that can't win games that he's not suppose to (that's a fact, just look at the 0-15 record). If we continue down this path, then we can assume that we'll again lose to Oregon, FL, Bama, GA, & SC next year. We have no reason to believe that we'll pull out any of those wins since we'll be underdogs in all of them. As the VIP room mentions, we'll start the season 2-2 and for the rest of the year, we'll hear about firing Dooley and seats will be empty. The lack of stability will hurt recruiting and we'll continue down the same path. I like the guy and love that he runs a clean and respectable program, but 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5 aren't going to cut it year after year and we have nothing to believe that it will get better with the looks of our schedule.

    Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

    ChrisUT

  • docmac said...

    So what had you rather have a coach that runs a dirty,classless program goes 12-0 or 11-1 each season or a coach that runs clean program with class and dignity yet has ups and downs ? Personally I would rather be able to be proud of my program so maybe we don't win has many games but we do the right way . Dooley does it the right way we have a program you can be proud of ,one that has class and dignity not strife and scandal. So, maybe we do not win has many games as we hope for but the wins will come . There is something to be said for stability in College Football , 3 years does not constitute stability.

    So any team that is winning 10-12 games a year is "dirty" and "classless"? This has got to be the most asinine comment ever made on this board and it surprises me none that RockytopATL agrees with it. How you guys can try and defend him at this point astonishes me. All I keep hearing is excuses and more excuses which Dooley said himself before the year started that this was the year of no excuses. He has now ruined the longest winning streak against a conference opponent in the country by losing to a pathetic UK team and we are now in the same company as Vandy as being the only two teams to ever start 0-5 in the conference for 3 years in a row. There are a couple of coaches out there who I personally feel would be worth making a change for and it is only if we cannot get them do I believe Dooley should be retained because you are right about one thing, stability is undeniably important. But please quit defending him, it makes absolutely no sense.

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  • jcoope16 said...

    So any team that is winning 10-12 games a year is "dirty" and "classless"? This has got to be the most asinine comment ever made on this board and it surprises me none that RockytopATL agrees with it. How you guys can try and defend him at this point astonishes me. All I keep hearing is excuses and more excuses which Dooley said himself before the year started that this was the year of no excuses. He has now ruined the longest winning streak against a conference opponent in the country by losing to a pathetic UK team and we are now in the same company as Vandy as being the only two teams to ever start 0-5 in the conference for 3 years in a row. There are a couple of coaches out there who I personally feel would be worth making a change for and it is only if we cannot get them do I believe Dooley should be retained because you are right about one thing, stability is undeniably important. But please quit defending him, it makes absolutely no sense.

    Please don't tell me what to do. It's a free country and if I want to defend Dooley, I will do that.

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    RockytopATL

  • Simple question....do you think a coach that has never beaten a ranked team, is 1-12 in his last 13 SEC games, has not out recruited the teams he plays every year and hired a DC with no significant coordinator experience can win SEC championships? Someone convince me what he has done to make me believe things are going to be any different next year. If you can't out coach or out recruit them what ' s left? Beating Akron, Troy, Ga. State and hoping to not get blown out by the good teams?

    This post was edited by UTvol4life on 10/29/2012 at 7:09 AM

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  • RockytopATL said...

    Please don't tell me what to do. It's a free country and if I want to defend Dooley, I will do that.

    Oh my gosh!! What are we, 12? I'm pretty sure it was a plea, not a command. Big difference. I can't wait to see what excuses you'll have next year if he's still our coach.

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  • jcoope16 said...

    Oh my gosh!! What are we, 12? I'm pretty sure it was a plea, not a command. Big difference. I can't wait to see what excuses you'll have next year if he's still our coach.

    You're "pretty sure?" You wrote it. Don't you know?

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    RockytopATL

  • RockytopATL said...

    You're "pretty sure?" You wrote it. Don't you know?

    Wow. I guess we are 12.... Thanks for the downvote. Back at ya.

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    jcoope16

  • I didn't downvote you. I met you face to face.

    But since you downvoted me, I guess you're 10.

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  • jcoope16 said...

    So any team that is winning 10-12 games a year is "dirty" and "classless"? This has got to be the most asinine comment ever made on this board and it surprises me none that RockytopATL agrees with it. How you guys can try and defend him at this point astonishes me. All I keep hearing is excuses and more excuses which Dooley said himself before the year started that this was the year of no excuses. He has now ruined the longest winning streak against a conference opponent in the country by losing to a pathetic UK team and we are now in the same company as Vandy as being the only two teams to ever start 0-5 in the conference for 3 years in a row. There are a couple of coaches out there who I personally feel would be worth making a change for and it is only if we cannot get them do I believe Dooley should be retained because you are right about one thing, stability is undeniably important. But please quit defending him, it makes absolutely no sense.

    It's like this winning streaks come and go . I don't believe that I said any program that wins 12 or 11 games is dirty and classless, it was simply a question what had you rather have . What had you rather Bobby Petrino or Derek Dooley ? Jim Tressel or Derek Dooley ? need I continue . Sure there are other coaches that run clean programs and win titles, name one that's on the market right now or will be at season's end . You can't because no program will dump a coach like that they will simply ride it out . So, please quit hanging him out to dry it's getting really old or as you so eloquently put it " makes absolutely no sense " .

    docmac

  • docmac said...

    It's like this winning streaks come and go . I don't believe that I said any program that wins 12 or 11 games is dirty and classless, it was simply a question what had you rather have . What had you rather Bobby Petrino or Derek Dooley ? Jim Tressel or Derek Dooley ? need I continue . Sure there are other coaches that run clean programs and win titles, name one that's on the market right now or will be at season's end . You can't because no program will dump a coach like that they will simply ride it out . So, please quit hanging him out to dry it's getting really old or as you so eloquently put it " makes absolutely no sense " .

    First of all, I would store all of my UT belongings in a bin and cease being a fan if we ever hired Petrino. The guy is scum and I can't believe the number of UT fans I've heard lately say that they would love to hire him. It's sickening to even think about. Obviously we have to agree to disagree because you defending him is no different than me wanting to make a change. It's a moot point and we could sit here and go back and forth all day as to why we feel the way we do. I was a massive Dooley supporter until the UF game. That was the first time I ever questioned his ability to lead our program back to great things. And it's because as I sat in AA watching the events unfold, I realized I was watching the same movie I had seen the previous two years. I pretty much lost all hope after the MSU game. Getting in such a hole early showed me that we were completely unprepared and we had just come off a bye. There is absolutely no excuse for that. Other things that turned me have been the botched pooch kick, the inability to improve this defense throughout the year, his lackadaisical demeanor on the sidelines during the USC game, specifically regarding the blatantly terrible calls that seemed to go unargued by him... Need I continue? The man is simply not getting the job done and he has given me absolutely zero indication that he ever will get it done. Dooley has hung himself out to dry, not me. And if he is let go, he has no one to blame but himself. Instituting the VFL program, stabilizing our roster, finishing with the 7-9th best recruiting class in the conference every year, and going 0-12 against our big four SEC foes is not good enough IMO and it's time to give someone else a shot.

    This post was edited by jcoope16 on 10/29/2012 at 10:39 AM

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