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***About the new 247Composite***

  • 247Composite Rating

    The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a concensus No. 1 prospect across all services.

    The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.

    All major media services share an equal percentage in the 247Composite Rating.

    The composite index equally weights this percentage among the services that participate in a ranking for that specific prospect.

    A composite strength meter, indicated by red bars, illustrates the total number of industry services that have ranked the prospect. A full strength meter indicates the prospect has been ranked by all industry services participating in the composite.

    All industry services have a different philosophy on number of "stars" distributed with each class. The 247Composite Rating assigns stars based on an approximate average distribution of stars from the industry.

    Kevin Ryan

  • Great, another rating system for Tennessee fans to gripe about.

    Amershamvol

  • Amershamvol said...

    Great, another rating system for Tennessee fans to gripe about.

    That's the thing - it is a composite of all of them. It takes into account all the major ratings and rankings and gives you an overall idea of what the industry thinks of that prospect.

    If a prospect is a two-star one place and a four-star at another place, the 247Composite paints the picture for you where the entire industry thinks that player fits in the broad scheme of things.

    Kevin Ryan

  • I'm having a little trouble understanding the 247Composite. Are you saying that now your own analysts are just a component of the Composite? Are their opinions going into a BCS-type computer generated gizmo that also includes the ratings of TOSs and spits out a final rating?

    Help me out. Thanks.

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    RockytopATL

  • RockytopATL said...

    I'm having a little trouble understanding the 247Composite. Are you saying that now your own analysts are just a component of the Composite? Are their opinions going into a BCS-type computer generated gizmo that also includes the ratings of TOSs and spits out a final rating?

    Help me out. Thanks.

    I'm thinking the same thing.

    Vollogan33

  • I'm curious as to why 247 moved in this direction. Did fans from this site, and other sites, wish to have this?

    LuckyLefty7

  • I think they're giving you the best of both worlds. You get the 247 rating plus you can now compare it to other ratings systems to get a better overall picture of the opinion, which many of us do anyway by googling to see what the other systems rate a player as. It's just putting all the information in one place so we don't have to google around and try to see what the other systems that we don't pay for are saying about a kid and them compare and contrast.

    Am I understanding that correctly Kevin?

    If so, I think it's great.

    This post was edited by kyvolunteer on 7/30/2012 at 8:38 AM

    "Count it down with me. Five, four, three, two, one. The national champion is clad in Big Orange!"

    kyvolunteer

  • RockytopATL said...

    I'm having a little trouble understanding the 247Composite. Are you saying that now your own analysts are just a component of the Composite? Are their opinions going into a BCS-type computer generated gizmo that also includes the ratings of TOSs and spits out a final rating?

    Help me out. Thanks.

    Basically an average of 247, Scout, Rivals, ESPN is the composite.

    wataugavol

  • kyvolunteer said...

    I think they're giving you the best of both worlds. You get the 247 rating plus you can now compare it to other ratings systems to get a better overall picture of the opinion, which many of us do anyway by googling to see what the other systems rate a player as. It's just putting all the information in one place so we don't have to google around and try to see what the other systems that we don't pay for are saying about a kid and them compare and contrast.

    Am I understanding that correctly Kevin?

    If so, I think it's great.

    That's the way I understand it. There is always the argument of another site raring the player TN has committed higher/lower. This gives you 247 ranking vs what everyone else thinks. I think its pretty neat.

    wataugavol

  • kyvolunteer said...

    I think they're giving you the best of both worlds. You get the 247 rating plus you can now compare it to other ratings systems to get a better overall picture of the opinion, which many of us do anyway by googling to see what the other systems rate a player as. It's just putting all the information in one place so we don't have to google around and try to see what the other systems that we don't pay for are saying about a kid and them compare and contrast.

    Am I understanding that correctly Kevin?

    If so, I think it's great.

    You got it exactly. We still have our own ratings, and we stand by them 100%. The composite is a tool that we've created that allows you to see where that recruit ranks in the "industry" compared to where we have that player ranked.

    Now you don't have to go to other sites and search for a player time and time again. You can stay here, see where we rank them and see where they fit in the broad scheme of things.

    It gives more context to the player as well, and gives you more info on the player pages to go with the tweets, timelines, etc.

    Kevin Ryan

  • wataugavol said...

    Basically an average of 247, Scout, Rivals, ESPN is the composite.

    Don't want to get too technical/literal, but the composite isn't an average. We explain what the average is as well and show it below the composite. There are lower case "i" symbols next to all the rankings and ratings to explain them better.

    Kevin Ryan

  • It also gives us even less reason to subscribe to any of the 247 competitors. The only question now is where you'll get the ratings from when you put those guys out of business?

    Kevin, one question. I know ESPN doesn't include JUCOs in their class rankings. How is that accounted for in the composite team rankings?

    This post was edited by kyvolunteer on 7/30/2012 at 9:31 AM

    "Count it down with me. Five, four, three, two, one. The national champion is clad in Big Orange!"

    kyvolunteer

  • kyvolunteer said...

    It also gives us even less reason to subscribe to any of the 247 competitors. The only question now is where you'll get the ratings from when you put those guys out of business?

    Kevin, one question. I know ESPN doesn't include JUCOs in their class rankings. How is that accounted for in the composite team rankings?

    The more rankings a player has across the industry, the higher the "Strength Bar" will be next to that player. Kind of like your cell service.

    We only take into account actual rankings, so there won't be a zero factored in anywhere if that's what you are asking.

    Kevin Ryan

  • This is a really cool thing the industry has needed for a while.

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    Wes Rucker

  • So if I'm understanding this correctly, the recruit with the highest total score (stars + ratings) across all services would have a composite score of 1.0000. Then the rest of the recruits would have a score like .9999, .9987, etc (essentially a percentage of that max score). The strength meter just represents how many recruiting services have ranked the player. So a JUCO player won't have as high a meter score due to ESPN's "no JUCO" policy. Since this composite score is NOT an average of the rankings, it appears on the surface that players ranked by all of the services would have higher composite scores than players only ranked by 3 of the services.

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    tntoak

  • tntoak said...

    So if I'm understanding this correctly, the recruit with the highest total score (stars + ratings) across all services would have a composite score of 1.0000. Then the rest of the recruits would have a score like .9999, .9987, etc (essentially a percentage of that max score). The strength meter just represents how many recruiting services have ranked the player. So a JUCO player won't have as high a meter score due to ESPN's "no JUCO" policy. Since this composite score is NOT an average of the rankings, it appears on the surface that players ranked by all of the services would have higher composite scores than players only ranked by 3 of the services.

    It's not that simple. If a player doesn't have a complete "strength meter" the ratings that he does have carry more weight.

    For example, if we are the first people to rate a player and we make him a 90, he will be a 90 with a low signal strength. When another service rates that player, that rating will be taken into account and the strength meter will increase.

    Kevin Ryan

  • Kevin Ryan said...

    It's not that simple. If a player doesn't have a complete "strength meter" the ratings that he does have carry more weight.

    For example, if we are the first people to rate a player and we make him a 90, he will be a 90 with a low signal strength. When another service rates that player, that rating will be taken into account and the strength meter will increase.

    When will this be available. I tried it and kept getting an error message?

    This post was edited by tnbear66 on 7/30/2012 at 12:19 PM

    tnbear66

  • tnbear66 said...

    When will this be available. I tried it and kept getting an error message?

    First I heard of this. Has been working fine today. Can you send me a link and I'll try it?

    Kevin Ryan

  • Another reason 247 is my favorite hangout. WHY go anywhere else?!! GO VOLS!

    BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!

    OrangeNCarolina

  • This is the QB passer rating of formulas.

    Don't try to figure out how we're compiling it. Just trust us that we're right, and that it's super important.

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    Wes Rucker

  • Kevin Ryan said...

    First I heard of this. Has been working fine today. Can you send me a link and I'll try it?

    It's working now. May have been my wifi.

    tnbear66

  • Ben Bradley is a 5* DT on TOS. When does the composite update? I have said for a while he is the 1 that is underrated on here and 80 makes zero sense. I look forward to his reevaluation on here. I know its just a matter of time.

    SamVolsam

  • SamVolsam said...

    Ben Bradley is a 5* DT on TOS. When does the composite update? I have said for a while he is the 1 that is underrated on here and 80 makes zero sense. I look forward to his reevaluation on here. I know its just a matter of time.

    I don't think anyone has Bradley rated as a five-star prospect. He's a four-star on one site.

    Staff writer for govols247 — http://www.twitter.com/RyanCallahan247 — rcallahan@247sports.com

    Ryan Callahan

  • Ryan Callahan said...

    I don't think anyone has Bradley rated as a five-star prospect. He's a four-star on one site.

    He is the #1 Juco DT in the nation on the other TOS. (it may have only been released today).

    SamVolsam

  • Wes Rucker said...

    This is the QB passer rating of formulas.

    Don't try to figure out how we're compiling it. Just trust us that we're right, and that it's super important.

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    Good thing you didn't compare it to the BCS formula...

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    tntoak