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Butch Deserves Blame for Graham Leaving...

  • Bleedz_Orange said...

    I don't understand this. I don't know what Graham was paid, you guys saw it somewhere and I'm not disputing that. It's just that Graham interviewed for the job, he WANTED to be here knowing what his contract was and he doesn't even last, what, 2+ months after ASKING TO BE RETAINED. I'm completely aggravated, confused and disappointed. I realize VFL does not mean you have to stay here FOR LIFE, but I'd expect it to last more than 2 months.

    +1 on that comment Bleedz.

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  • Goodness...........he said yes a month+ ago and knew his deal............he didnt have to say yes............and UT was trying to do a new deal and its been reported a few times.

    This is all on Graham folks. Just like Tee but much worse.

    SamVolsam

  • There's one thing you can always say about Drizz. He is most definite in his opinions. We don't have all the facts here and I'm not jumping to any conlusions until we receive more information.

    SWVolfan

  • STUPIDEST THREAD I'VE EVER SEEN. BUTCH DIDN'T DO Anything wrong. Wow. . STUPID. WOW.

    jeremycheifer

  • jacvol12 said...

    Graham cannot be the 2nd lowest paid on any staff. A coach like Graham always as options. By keeping him that low it just left the door open for him to be poached.

    Jacvol u said it best, 2nd lowest paid, the lone ranger from the old staff, maybe he felt he did the heavy lifting & was
    a one man band. Jones has some blame here definitely.

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  • Do you always talk before you know the facts, or is that just on a Internet board.

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    2nd lowest paid on this staff is abysmal.

    Hell somebody's got to be the 2nd lowest paid on the staff. JK drizzle

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  • Vollogan33 said...

    Hell somebody's got to be the 2nd lowest paid on the staff. JK drizzle

    Should've been one of his guys from Cincy. Not a proven SEC recruiter and coach in Graham.

    hdrizzle21

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    Graham was 2nd lowest paid coach on staff. Unacceptable and I mentioned this a few months ago, Can't bame Graham for leaving. Butch got HIS GUYS big raises and Graham got left behind.

    Not slamming u driz, but I think this post is definitely putting the cart before the horse. JG has worked hard here, but I haven't seen him produce anything great since Lattimoore, which is hard to judge when you consider the remarkable natural talent that ML is. JG is a valued person and VFL, but I think we can do better from a coaching/recruiting standpoint. Jmo, but I don't think any or definitely all the blame is CBJ.

    Sogozit

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  • Sogozit said...

    Not slamming u driz, but I think this post is definitely putting the cart before the horse. JG has worked hard here, but I haven't seen him produce anything great since Lattimoore, which is hard to judge when you consider the remarkable natural talent that ML is. JG is a valued person and VFL, but I think we can do better from a coaching/recruiting standpoint. Jmo, but I don't think any or definitely all the blame is CBJ.

    Graham was named top 50 recuiter this past yr.

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    Graham was 2nd lowest paid coach on staff. Unacceptable and I mentioned this a few months ago, Can't bame Graham for leaving. Butch got HIS GUYS big raises and Graham got left behind.

    hear say hear but graham got a 35 thousand raise from my understanding,tell me who graham landed for tenn anyways,he couldnt land green or the vandy commit.
    some say north but im sure coach jones and staff talked this young man into signing with us.
    coaching he did improve our young men at the running backs other then that hes not big on landing big time recruits other then marcus latimore at south c.
    i say dont let the door hit his rump good by..now i hope coach jones bring in a older coach that can recruit and teach our backs ..and graham want stop this show going on..blessing it could be

    vols4life1969

  • troopervol70 said...

    Jacvol u said it best, 2nd lowest paid, the lone ranger from the old staff, maybe he felt he did the heavy lifting & was a one man band. Jones has some blame here definitely.

    how jones give him a 35 thousand raise and rehired him..jones thought since he was a vfl and that is far from the truth,blame jones ummmm NO..but i bet jones bring in some one can get the job done and better recruiter also. jones knows what he has to have in the sec..how can you blame jones?

    i think we all can agree on 1 thing ,this has upset us all because we didnt see it even coming and thought he was a VFL?

    i hope florida st dont win a game and fire graham and tee if he goes there..karma and i hope jones
    dont hire either 1 as long as hes our coach..go vols

    vols4life1969

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    Graham was 2nd lowest paid coach on staff. Unacceptable and I mentioned this a few months ago, Can't bame Graham for leaving. Butch got HIS GUYS big raises and Graham got left behind.

    If I remember correctly on the days up to NSD there were a ton of questions on this and other boards about the ability of CJG to close the deal on a RB. Now I was pleased with the class CJG helped sign and not in any way saying I don't like or wish CJG was a VOL still. But CDD and the staff hired CJG and he agreed to those terms way back when and it was a low(er) number but if not mistaken everyone agreed at the time it had to be guaranteed due to the situation and the unknown status of CDD.

    Don't blame CJG one bit for getting paid. It is America and it is his life. Don't blame CBJ for taking care of his guys either--that is the rule and law of the land in any business. Not just C.F.B. CJB was and still is full grown-if he did not like what he was getting paid and neither of us know if he had those conversations with the right people but if he did then yes you can blame those in charge, if he did not or debrief's were held and he did not let it be know he was unhappy about his contract he should have brought it up then and there.

    It is the same when a teams player departs due to contract-Albert P (stl Cards) was the same way-they were blamed by some for not getting the deal done-when you look at what they offered and what happened so far it appears both parties made out ok. Just saying that we don't know what happened or happens between the staff and contract talks--so it is what it is and it is a business. just my twocents

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  • jeremycheifer said...

    STUPIDEST THREAD I'VE EVER SEEN. BUTCH DIDN'T DO Anything wrong. Wow. . STUPID. WOW.

    Right on bro. LOL
    VFL broseph!! HAHAHAHA

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  • Got a DV for saying Butch counter offered.? Atleast try to disagree instead of a stupid DV. I enjoy discussion. Not my rating dropping. There wasn't anything wrong with the statement I made? Guess somebody just wants all the blame on Butch I guess. GBO

    Vols8

  • JOHNNYD said...

    Graham was named top 50 recuiter this past yr.

    That means there are 49 recruiters who are better than he is. I am in no way downing JG, but we need the best RB coach/recruiter we can get. I think we can do better. As much a fan of JG as I am, and hate to see him go, we need to get World Class!

    Sogozit

  • Vols8 said...

    Got a DV for saying Butch counter offered.? Atleast try to disagree instead of a stupid DV. I enjoy discussion. Not my rating dropping. There wasn't anything wrong with the statement I made? Guess somebody just wants all the blame on Butch I guess. GBO

    +1 ... Got your back....this DV ghost is ridiculous .

    Sogozit