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Challenge for the fire Dooley brigade.

  • Unlike what Clay Travis apparently thinks, there is no fairy UT-funded Brinks truck growing out of his butt for him to back up to prospective coaches [insert your own non-family-friendly joke at this point], so . . .

    Here's a challenge for the fire Dooley camp. Let's play some fantasy coaching search! Here are the rules, based on fact and reality, not fantasy (irony intended):

    You are the AD! Wouldn't you just love to be the AD, so you can do what you want and fix all those problems you know how to fix so well? Here's your chance! Only this challenge is based on the real world, and accepting that we are where we are.

    You have approval from the Board and Jimmy the Cheek to make a coaching change. [Yay! You can fire that outcoached, never-beaten-a-ranked-team embarrassment, Dooley. You demand excellence and refuse to accept mediocrity!]. However:

    1. You have only between $1.5 and $1.99 million per year to hire him.

    Why no carte blanche, blank check, Clay Travis Brinks truck authority?

    . . . Because your two single-biggest program donors, Jim Haslam and Thunder Thornton, have told you they are not going to bankroll a coach's salary since Kiffin left, and in any event, Jim, Mr. Pilot oil himself, has a bit of a cash flow problem at present himself, having just bought the frikkin' Cleveland Browns!

    . . . Because right now, your own athletic department has hemorraghing money, paying Fulmer, Pearl, spending hundred of millions of dollars on facilities improvements, and not enough cash on hand to make the signing payment to a "splash" candidate like a Stoops, Saban, Cowher, Gruden, or the like.

    . . . Because the good news is that, while we reportedly reached out to both Cowher and Gruden in the last two coaching searches, and they didn't flatly say no, they did reportedly quote $6-$8 million a year as the hiring price, with a huge guaranteed number of years (a minimum of 6 years, and I've heard up to 8-10) and there's now way in hades the Board would approve that kind of expenditure, absent an "anonymous donor" paying the way.

    . . . Because your anonymous donor won't be Peyton Manning, either. [Really? Did you think he'll agree to pay a guaranteed $50 million for UT to have a coach?]

    2. The coach you hire must have nine wins, with one of the nine over UF, UGA or Bama, by year three, or the rabid fan base will demand the ouster of not only the new coach, but you, too!

    3. Who ya gon' hire? Three names on your AD's "short list," with believable arguments as to why you believe they'd both come to UT and be available for the money you have to spend.

    Remember, this is not "utopia coach" or "perfect world" coach; this is "fantasy coach," where everyone can't have all the players, i.e., the coach, he wants, and the fact all of us wants to have all the money Florida and Alabama has doesn't make it so.

    4. "Oh, so you just want to accept losing?" is not an answer; neither is "Well, we need to do something, even if it's wrong,"; nor are insults about me and/or my mother.

    Caveat: You CAN hire a coach for $6 mill. per year and 8 yrs. guaranteed if YOU agree to pay his salary. You in?

    Names and arguments as to why they'd work, please.
    Step up to the plate, fire Dooley peeps, and git 'er done!

    This post was edited by doberVol on 9/16/2012 at 1:23 PM

    "Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat." Sir Robin's Minstrels.

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  • doberVol said...

    Unlike what Clay Travis apparently thinks, there is no fairy UT-funded Brinks truck growing out of his butt for him to back up to prospective coaches [insert your own non-family-friendly joke at this point], so . . .

    Here's a challenge for the fire Dooley camp. Let's play some fantasy coaching search! Here are the rules, based on fact and reality, not fantasy (irony intended):

    You are the AD! Wouldn't you just love to be the AD, so you can do what you want and fix all those problems you know how to fix so well? Here's your chance! Only this challenge is based on the real world, and accepting that we are where we are.

    You have approval from the Board and Jimmy the Cheek to make a coaching change. [Yay! You can fire that outcoached, never-beaten-a-ranked-team embarrassment, Dooley. You demand excellence and refuse to accept mediocrity!]. However:

    1. You have only between $1.5 and $1.99 million per year to hire him.

    Why no carte blanche, blank check, Clay Travis Brinks truck authority?

    . . . Because your two single-biggest program donors, Jim Haslam and Thunder Thornton, have told you they are not going to bankroll a coach's salary since Kiffin left, and in any event, Jim, Mr. Pilot oil himself, has a bit of a cash flow problem at present himself, having just bought the frikkin' Cleveland Browns!

    . . . Because right now, your own athletic department has hemorraghing money, paying Fulmer, Pearl, spending hundred of millions of dollars on facilities improvements, and not enough cash on hand to make the signing payment to a "splash" candidate like a Stoops, Saban, Cowher, Gruden, or the like.

    . . . Because the good news is that, while we reportedly reached out to both Cowher and Gruden in the last two coaching searches, and they didn't flatly say no, they did reportedly quote $6-$8 million a year as the hiring price, with a huge guaranteed number of years (a minimum of 6 years, and I've heard up to 8-10) and there's now way in hades the Board would approve that kind of expenditure, absent an "anonymous donor" paying the way.

    . . . Because your anonymous donor won't be Peyton Manning, either. [Really? Did you think he'll agree to pay a guaranteed $50 million for UT to have a coach?]

    2. The coach you hire must have nine wins, with one of the nine over UF, UGA or Bama, by year three, or the rabid fan base will demand the ouster of not only the new coach, but you, too!

    3. Who ya gon' hire? Three names on your AD's "short list," with believable arguments as to why you believe they'd both come to UT and be available for the money you have to spend.

    Remember, this is not "utopia coach" or "perfect world" coach; this is "fantasy coach," where everyone can't have all the players, i.e., the coach, he wants, and the fact all of us wants to have all the money Florida and Alabama has doesn't make it so.

    4. "Oh, so you just want to accept losing?" is not an answer; neither is "Well, we need to do something, even if it's wrong,"; nor are insults about me and/or my mother.

    Caveat: You CAN hire a coach for $6 mill. per year and 8 yrs. guaranteed if YOU agree to pay his salary. You in?

    Names and arguments as to why they'd work, please. Step up to the plate, fire Dooley peeps, and git 'er done!

    Oh, I see what you're doin' here. You are seeking solutions instead of just the gripin'. Novel idea. I'll stick with Dooley for now. GO VOLS!

    BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!

    OrangeNCarolina ●

  • I remember certain years when we went 10-2 or 9-3 and people were calling for Fulmer's head. People react in different ways to adversity and some people become blinded by the pain of a loss. It's just the way it is. Just be glad we have a good AD who doesn't get swayed by overly emotional fans.

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    hdrizzle21 ●

  • If you have a car that doesn't run or keeps tearing up, do you not fix it or get a new one?

    UTvol4life

  • This isn't a fire Dooley rant and I agree that the money may not be there for a "splash" hire, but rest assured, if attendance starts dropping below a certain point for home games, something will give, that much I can guarantee. Football is the cash cow for the entire university. I hope Dooley makes it, I REALLY do, but anyone that doesn't have a LITTLE doubt or concern that he's not the guy isn't being realistic with themselves.

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    hackburgman

  • So what you're saying is that if we dont win another game this year we are stuck with Dooley because we cant afford Petrino or any other coach. I promise you, if they want it to happen it can happen. Worst case scenario we go raid a WAC school that has a unproven coach with a losing record...oh, wait...

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    BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!

    OrangeNCarolina ●

  • Coaching was not the problem last night it was the players they gave up Bray was off the receivers were off and in return the defense wore down out of frustration drop balls interceptions and and big plays killed us the coaches can only do so much I don't care if nick saber were our coach if the players don't execute there not going to win in my opinion the coaches put them in place to win and the players didn't take advantage of it

    VolsBen ●

  • You guys refuse to play by the rules. Dober is right on the money. The AD isn't flush with cash.

    I will also point out that Chris Petersen cannot be had. He has been offered big bucks for better jobs than ours and he has said no every time. He loves Boise and isn't going anywhere. He also just signed an $11.7 million five year contract at Boise.

    Play by the rules or don't play. We can't afford more than $2 million a year.

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    RockytopATL ●

  • Patterson catches that long pass, Hunter catches those two first down throws we have a different game. Herbstreet said it before the game and you have to give Florida credit they got our passing attack out of rhythm in the second half. They made good halftime adjustments. Our defense will get better as we go. Hate were going to loose Randolph he's our leader in the back but next man in, Moore & Brewer will be fine.

    dirtyred ●

  • RockytopATL said...

    You guys refuse to play by the rules. Dober is right on the money. The AD isn't flush with cash.

    I will also point out that Chris Petersen cannot be had. He has been offered big bucks for better jobs than ours and he has said no every time. He loves Boise and isn't going anywhere. He also just signed an $11.7 million five year contract at Boise.

    Play by the rules or don't play. We can't afford more than $2 million a year.

    Ha you are insane if you think Hart won't spend what he needs... Peterson does have a special situation in Boise, and I don't think he would come here. His son also has some disease, and it is best for his family to stay there. So I will forfeit Peterson, but Patterson would be #1 anyway.

    hdrizzle21 ●

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    Ha you are insane if you think Hart won't spend what he needs... Peterson does have a special situation in Boise, and I don't think he would come here. His son also has some disease, and it is best for his family to stay there. So I will forfeit Peterson, but Patterson would be #1 anyway.

    Now I'm insane. Drizz, I really try to debate with you, but please be an adult.

    University of Tennessee: University of Tennessee athletic department has 3.98 million deficit - OrlandoSentinel.com

    University of Tennessee athletic department has 3.98 million deficit

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    RockytopATL ●

  • RockytopATL said...

    Now I'm insane. Drizz, I really try to debate with you, but please be an adult.

    That means absolutely nothing.

    hdrizzle21 ●

  • That whole budget thing doesn't mean squat. The way this works is, BOT and Hart say we need a new coach. They then say it will cost this much to buy out the current coach and to get X coach it will cost this much. Then donor or donors X, Y and Z say ok here's a donation to cover the buyout and the Coach X, who they have already talked to, to "guage his interest". Now Dave Hart go Make it happen.

    UTvol4life

  • UTvol4life said...

    That whole budget thing doesn't mean squat. The way this works is, BOT and Hart say we need a new coach. They then say it will cost this much to buy out the current coach and to get X coach it will cost this much. Then donor or donors X, Y and Z say ok here's a donation to cover the buyout and the Coach X, who they have already talked to, to "guage his interest". Now Dave Hart go Make it happen.

    BINGO!

    hdrizzle21 ●

  • doberVol said...

    Unlike what Clay Travis apparently thinks, there is no fairy UT-funded Brinks truck growing out of his butt for him to back up to prospective coaches [insert your own non-family-friendly joke at this point], so . . .

    Here's a challenge for the fire Dooley camp. Let's play some fantasy coaching search! Here are the rules, based on fact and reality, not fantasy (irony intended):

    You are the AD! Wouldn't you just love to be the AD, so you can do what you want and fix all those problems you know how to fix so well? Here's your chance! Only this challenge is based on the real world, and accepting that we are where we are.

    You have approval from the Board and Jimmy the Cheek to make a coaching change. [Yay! You can fire that outcoached, never-beaten-a-ranked-team embarrassment, Dooley. You demand excellence and refuse to accept mediocrity!]. However:

    1. You have only between $1.5 and $1.99 million per year to hire him.

    Why no carte blanche, blank check, Clay Travis Brinks truck authority?

    . . . Because your two single-biggest program donors, Jim Haslam and Thunder Thornton, have told you they are not going to bankroll a coach's salary since Kiffin left, and in any event, Jim, Mr. Pilot oil himself, has a bit of a cash flow problem at present himself, having just bought the frikkin' Cleveland Browns!

    . . . Because right now, your own athletic department has hemorraghing money, paying Fulmer, Pearl, spending hundred of millions of dollars on facilities improvements, and not enough cash on hand to make the signing payment to a "splash" candidate like a Stoops, Saban, Cowher, Gruden, or the like.

    . . . Because the good news is that, while we reportedly reached out to both Cowher and Gruden in the last two coaching searches, and they didn't flatly say no, they did reportedly quote $6-$8 million a year as the hiring price, with a huge guaranteed number of years (a minimum of 6 years, and I've heard up to 8-10) and there's now way in hades the Board would approve that kind of expenditure, absent an "anonymous donor" paying the way.

    . . . Because your anonymous donor won't be Peyton Manning, either. [Really? Did you think he'll agree to pay a guaranteed $50 million for UT to have a coach?]

    2. The coach you hire must have nine wins, with one of the nine over UF, UGA or Bama, by year three, or the rabid fan base will demand the ouster of not only the new coach, but you, too!

    3. Who ya gon' hire? Three names on your AD's "short list," with believable arguments as to why you believe they'd both come to UT and be available for the money you have to spend.

    Remember, this is not "utopia coach" or "perfect world" coach; this is "fantasy coach," where everyone can't have all the players, i.e., the coach, he wants, and the fact all of us wants to have all the money Florida and Alabama has doesn't make it so.

    4. "Oh, so you just want to accept losing?" is not an answer; neither is "Well, we need to do something, even if it's wrong,"; nor are insults about me and/or my mother.

    Caveat: You CAN hire a coach for $6 mill. per year and 8 yrs. guaranteed if YOU agree to pay his salary. You in?

    Names and arguments as to why they'd work, please. Step up to the plate, fire Dooley peeps, and git 'er done!

    I don't need all that from my coach.

    I just want one who's team won't roll over and play dead at the 35 minute mark of every SEC game.

    Where can we find one of those?

    TitanDoug

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    That means absolutely nothing.

    It doesn't? Did you read it? The AD lost $4 million last year. I saw another story (on KNS) that the AD's reserves totaled $5 million.

    So another year like the last one and we are pretty much broke.

    Drizz, we ain't the government. We can't print money to spend that we don't have. Nor, despite popular wisdom, can we go to Haslam or Thornton and ask them to write a big check to hire your favorite coach.

    Reality is a bitch. You really ought to try living in the real world for a change.

    This post was edited by RockytopATL on 9/16/2012 at 3:24 PM

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  • RockytopATL said...

    It doesn't? Did you read it? The AD lost $4 million last year. I saw another story (on KNS) that the AD's reserves totaled $5 million.

    So another year like the last one and we are pretty much broke.

    Drizz, we ain't the government. We can't print money to spend that we don't have. Nor, despite popular wisdom, can we go to Haslam or Thornton and ask them to write a big check to hire your favorite coach.

    Reality is a bitch. You really ought to tryliving in the real world for a change.

    To fix this you make budget cuts correct? However, you don't make the cuts where it hurts the most. Hart is a smart man. He knows that putting a winning football team on the field will increase funding. Putting a winning team on the field starts with having the right man as your coach. Hart will continue to make cuts but don't look for him to hold back too much on the HC position.

    VooDooVolunteer

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    Ha you are insane if you think Hart won't spend what he needs... Peterson does have a special situation in Boise, and I don't think he would come here. His son also has some disease, and it is best for his family to stay there. So I will forfeit Peterson, but Patterson would be #1 anyway.

    Insulting everyone who disagrees with you does nothing to support your arguments - in fact, it only makes them even more irrelevant.

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    tntoak

  • RockytopATL said...

    It doesn't? Did you read it? The AD lost $4 million last year. I saw another story (on KNS) that the AD's reserves totaled $5 million.

    So another year like the last one and we are pretty much broke.

    Drizz, we ain't the government. We can't print money to spend that we don't have. Nor, despite popular wisdom, can we go to Haslam or Thornton and ask them to write a big check to hire your favorite coach.

    Reality is a bitch. You really ought to try living in the real world for a change.

    A lot of folks do not understand the real world.....it is obvious. The money is not there. And you can not say the BOT and Hart will do anything. UT is not set up like the old UT.
    But folks keep trying to answer the original question.
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