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Coach Zo is not the guy....like I've said

  • I got about 85 down votes last time I said this.

    This is some awful basketball being played in Knoxville.

    Coming off 6 straight tourney bids and one season removed from 1pt away from the final four.......Zo's year two teams look like Buzz Peterson returned to town.

    I know, I know, maymon is out, but thats only a problem because only one of the 6-7 kids Zo has signed can play at this level. No one recruited the other kids and we now see why.

    OMGJonGruden

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    Casvol31

  • Dude go away and shut up. I am tired of your coach Martin bashing game after game. We have a clear jimmy and joe problem with not enough good players to win. Nobody had us winking the SEC championship this year for a reason. We are not good enough. Lets make what we can out of this season am move forward with a pretty good team next year. Quit hating Martin all the time. Maybe we should hold the kids accountable occasionally. They need to make a play of two instead of turning the ball over. Your negativity and overreaction kills me man. Quit it.

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    Alexdykes22

  • We get it. And theres nothing we can do about it.

    Try writing a letter the UTAD. Maybe they can help you.

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  • Alexdykes22 said...

    Dude go away and shut up. I am tired of your coach Martin bashing game after game. We have a clear jimmy and joe problem with not enough good players to win. Nobody had us winking the SEC championship this year for a reason. We are not good enough. Lets make what we can out of this season am move forward with a pretty good team next year. Quit hating Martin all the time. Maybe we should hold the kids accountable occasionally. They need to make a play of two instead of turning the ball over. Your negativity and overreaction kills me man. Quit it.

    Pretty sure the head coach is responsible for recruiting. Pearl had no problem recruiting.

    A couple weeks ago when we started Mcbee, the Nigerian, and Richardson, rob Lewis on Volquest said it was the list highly recruited starting 5 he's ever seen at Tennessee.

    That's very concerning if our head coach thought that was the level of talent we needed.

    OMGJonGruden

  • OMGJonGruden said...

    I know, I know, maymon is out, but thats only a problem because only one of the 6-7 kids Zo has signed can play at this level. No one recruited the other kids and we now see why.

    I wouldn't agree with that at all. Josh Richardson is turning into a pretty good player. Derek Reese already has shown flashes in his first few games. Armani Moore had a nice game today. Yemi Makanjoula is becoming a pretty good post player. And Jarnell Stokes obviously was a big-time prospect who's struggling right now because he's clearly the best player on the floor for UT, and he's receiving plenty of attention from opposing defenses.

    The only signees of Martin's I really would question at this point are Wes Washpun, who's already gone, and perhaps D'Montre Edwards or Quinton Chievous, and even those guys have potential.

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  • OMGJonGruden said...

    Pretty sure the head coach is responsible for recruiting. Pearl had no problem recruiting.

    A couple weeks ago when we started Mcbee, the Nigerian, and Richardson, rob Lewis on Volquest said it was the list highly recruited starting 5 he's ever seen at Tennessee.

    That's very concerning if our head coach thought that was the level of talent we needed.

    He is still playing with mostly Bruce Pearl recruits. We cannot help that we did not inherit a true point guard which is our main problem and our best player from last year is hurt and second best (Golden) has not played since early this season. Also he seems to have struck gold with Richardson, Reese and Moore is getting better and better. Just need a little time. Whenever you inherit a roster that has McBee having to start then you didn't get left much at the skill position.

    Wait a few minutes before you jump ship, or just jump ship so we don't have to read your BS after every game.

    woody_12

  • OMGJonGruden said...

    Pretty sure the head coach is responsible for recruiting. Pearl had no problem recruiting.

    A couple weeks ago when we started Mcbee, the Nigerian, and Richardson, rob Lewis on Volquest said it was the list highly recruited starting 5 he's ever seen at Tennessee.

    That's very concerning if our head coach thought that was the level of talent we needed.

    Golden = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    Hall = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McBee = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McRae = Only Pearl Recruit Playing well but was spotty before Memphis and needs better defense

    Stokes = 5 star Cuonzo signee that's playing bad and needs help

    Keep in mind that Maymon is out and that Reese and Moore are continuing to get better and that Josh Richardson is stronger than most people thought he would be.

    Cuonzo is running a different offense with Bruce Pearl's players. It takes time. Next year is the year for Cuonzo and was before the season even started. Landry or Lopez can play more PG and we'll have Hubbs (another Cunozo 5 star recruit) along with Maymon and Stokes. Patience is key this year. Yes, they're losing winnable games, but if you don't like it, don't watch, because not much is changing over the next 16 games.

    Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

    ChrisUT

  • ChrisUT said...

    Golden = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    Hall = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McBee = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McRae = Only Pearl Recruit Playing well but was spotty before Memphis and needs better defense

    Stokes = 5 star Cuonzo signee that's playing bad and needs help

    Keep in mind that Maymon is out and that Reese and Moore are continuing to get better and that Josh Richardson is stronger than most people thought he would be.

    Cuonzo is running a different offense with Bruce Pearl's players. It takes time. Next year is the year for Cuonzo and was before the season even started. Landry or Lopez can play more PG and we'll have Hubbs (another Cunozo 5 star recruit) along with Maymon and Stokes. Patience is key this year. Yes, they're losing winnable games, but if you don't like it, don't watch, because not much is changing over the next 16 games.

    Was doing the same post. Thank you.

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    And Jarnell Stokes obviously was a big-time prospect who's struggling right now because he's clearly the best player on the floor for UT, and he's receiving plenty of attention from opposing defenses.

    I tend to disagree with this statement right now. Stokes is not playing well. Everytime he receives the ball he forces a shot. He will not kick out to open teammates. You can notice he is visibly frustrated and it is affecting his play. He needs to not force the ball so much in the low post. On the other hand he needs to get the ball more on the block when he is open so he doesn't feel he has to force the ball to score since they do not look at him half the time he is open.

    woody_12

  • OMGJonGruden said...

    Pretty sure the head coach is responsible for recruiting. Pearl had no problem recruiting.

    A couple weeks ago when we started Mcbee, the Nigerian, and Richardson, rob Lewis on Volquest said it was the list highly recruited starting 5 he's ever seen at Tennessee.

    That's very concerning if our head coach thought that was the level of talent we needed.

    So next time you want to talk about something why don't you bring a fact or two to the table. Again tired of your negativity. Especially if you are just blowing smoke about something that you do not know about.

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  • I am not bashing Martin. I like him but he is not a good coach. Doing the best of his ability but that won't cut it in the SEC, ACC, Big ten. He has them wearing weighted vest in practice to make them have endurance. Basketball is a flexibilty sport. The Duke's of the world have endurance and they don't practice with stupid weighted vest. Take them off and goTRY to play a game. Different feel. He hasn't coached up a player since they came to UT. Stokes is an example, the coach doesn't know how to coach him.

    This post was edited by Volmoment on 1/12/2013 at 2:32 PM

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  • I am going to have to agree with him on this one...... This basketball team has gotten worse, not better. I had high hopes for Coach Martin and this team, but each week they seem to let everyone down. I just wonder if Coach Martin is in over his head?

    1vavol

  • Volmoment said...

    I am not bashing Martin. I like him but he is not a good coach. Doing the best of his ability but that won't cut it in the SEC, ACC, Big ten. He has them wearing weighted vest in practice to make them have endurance. Basketball is a flexibilty sport. The Duke's of the world have endurance and they don't practice with stupid weighted vest. Take them off and goTRY to play a game. Different feel. He hasn't coached up a player since they can to UT. Stokes is an example, the coach doesn't know how to coach him.

    I ask when is it going to be the responsibility of the player to play hard, and not for the coach to motivate him to do so? Some onus goes on the player. He isn't a baby. He doesn't need a stroller.

    This post was edited by Alexdykes22 on 1/12/2013 at 2:35 PM

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  • Alexdykes22 said...

    So next time you want to talk about something why don't you bring a fact or two to the table. Again tired of your negativity. Especially if you are just blowing smoke about something that you do not know about.

    Facts? Do you have facts? The only facts we have right now is we missed the tourney last year and this years team is a bad basketball team so far.

    Just because Ryan thinks some of Zo recruits aren't too bad hardly make that a fact. In fact, I think Ryan is way wrong and so do other significant media members who cover ut sports.

    I was an all state basketball player. Played AAU with Ron Mercer, brandan Wharton, jj Swartz, Oliver Simmons, Aaron green and others.

    I'm pretty sure I know what D1 basketball talent looks like.

    We don't have enough D1 talent....I'm just telling you. If you want to wait for the results to make my opinion fact, that's fine with me.

    I laugh at the phenom known as Derek Reese. Kid was all over the AAU circuit....zero interest from top 40 programs....hits a 3 in his first game and now people say "I think this kid can play...."

    Yeah, ok.

    This post was edited by OMGJonGruden on 1/12/2013 at 2:40 PM

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  • Big time name dropper now. That makes you so much smarter. I bow down to your knowledge.

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  • "Golden = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    Hall = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McBee = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit
    McRae = Only Pearl Recruit Playing well but was spotty before Memphis and needs better defense

    Stokes = 5 star Cuonzo signee that's playing bad and needs help

    Keep in mind that Maymon is out and that Reese and Moore are continuing to get better and that Josh Richardson is stronger than most people thought he would be.

    Cuonzo is running a different offense with Bruce Pearl's players. It takes time. Next year is the year for Cuonzo and was before the season even started. Landry or Lopez can play more PG and we'll have Hubbs (another Cunozo 5 star recruit) along with Maymon and Stokes. Patience is key this year. Yes, they're losing winnable games, but if you don't like it, don't watch, because not much is changing over the next 16 games. "

    +1 and I'd give you +100 if I could.

    This post was edited by RunThruThe T on 1/12/2013 at 2:46 PM

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  • OMGJonGruden said...

    Facts? Do you have facts? The only facts we have right now is we missed the tourney last year and this years team is a bad basketball team so far.

    Just because Ryan thinks some of Zo recruits aren't too bad hardly make that a fact. In fact, I think Ryan is way wrong and so do other significant media members who cover ut sports.

    I was an all state basketball player. Played AAU with Ron Mercer, brandan Wharton, jj Swartz, Oliver Simmons, Aaron green and others.

    I'm pretty sure I know what D1 basketball talent looks like.

    We don't have enough D1 talent....I'm just telling you. If you want to wait for the results to make my opinion fact, that's fine with me.

    I laugh at the phenom known as Derek Reese. Kid was all over the AAU circuit....zero interest from top 40 programs....hits a 3 in his first game and now people say "I think this kid can play...."

    Yeah, ok.

    BTW I am aware that we don't have very good players. I have already said so above, but I am guessing that you didn't read my previous post.

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  • Doesnt really matter if you think he can coach or not. Either he goes to the tourney next year or he is fired it really is that simple.

    I think if he can't get this team above .500 in the SEC this year with how weak it is then you can really start to question if he is the right guy or not.

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  • Here's a fact for you.... Tennessee was picked to finish 11th in the SEC last year.... Does that sound like a team Coach Martin inherited to make the tourney? Heck no it wasn't... Quit bringing up the fact we missed the tourney last year... Look where they finished after being picked 11th...

    Explain to me how in the blue cheese of possum milk how a coach can't coach after taking a team that was picked to finish 11th... to end up finishing tied for second...

    Btw Tennessee didn't even deserve to be in the tourney that last year Michigan waxed Tennessee straight off the court.... For everything Pearl did right, he turned around and burned the whole thing down...

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  • GoVols2011 said...

    Doesnt really matter if you think he can coach or not. Either he goes to the tourney next year or he is fired it really is that simple.

    I think if he can't get this team above .500 in the SEC this year with how weak it is then you can really start to question if he is the right guy or not.

    Just a few questions,
    - Are you saying that the Pearl holdovers are D1 quality or Zo's recruits are not?
    - With the talent on this roster, what should the winning percentage be in the SEC?
    - After the last loss, you said Zo did not deserve credit for exceeding expectations last year because UT didn't make the tournament. With the talent level on this team, what do you think should be the standard?

    bavw

  • ChrisUT said...

    Golden = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit Hall = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit McBee = Playing Terrible and Pearl Recruit McRae = Only Pearl Recruit Playing well but was spotty before Memphis and needs better defense

    Stokes = 5 star Cuonzo signee that's playing bad and needs help

    Keep in mind that Maymon is out and that Reese and Moore are continuing to get better and that Josh Richardson is stronger than most people thought he would be.

    Cuonzo is running a different offense with Bruce Pearl's players. It takes time. Next year is the year for Cuonzo and was before the season even started. Landry or Lopez can play more PG and we'll have Hubbs (another Cunozo 5 star recruit) along with Maymon and Stokes. Patience is key this year. Yes, they're losing winnable games, but if you don't like it, don't watch, because not much is changing over the next 16 games.

    Refreshing to see some perspective. I get that everyone's entitled to an opinion, but damn. Some of the shortsighted comments re: CCM and ready to run him & his family out of K'ville in return for the LIAR, BP?? Thanks, but NO thanks.

    No doubt that adjustments need to be made in order to get the most out these guys as possible, but this whole instant gratification epidemic running thru SOME (I emphasize SOME) of the UT fan base is perplexing, if not down right ignorant. Let's get behind the team & CCM & give it some time...like a couple yrs of his own recruiting classes and implementing his LONG-TERM plan.

    JUST MY THOUGHTS...HATE AWAY blah

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