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Comparing ND to the 2013 Vols

  • Hoping someone has more insight than me.

    This is a guess: Butch has probably studied Brian Kelley's teams more than anyone. If so, we should expect some similarities.

    This is a fact: Both teams run a 4-3 base defense with a great LB and questionable corners.

    I'd be interested to know: how our front 7 compares, how our safeties compare, how our offense compares.

    These are things I'll be thinking about as I watch the game tonight.

    volfan28

  • Why would Butch Jones have studied Brian Kelly's offenses?

    "People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know" -Bear Bryant

    Denver Vol ●

  • Denver Vol said...

    Why would Butch Jones have studied Brian Kelly's offenses?

    Butch took over at CMU after Brian left then he took over at Cincy after Brian left. Butch would have watched every play from the year prior to his arrival at both CMU and Cincy. He would have to be blind to not see success and stupid to not imitate some of the things Brian did, considering he inherited the players Brian was successful with.

    volfan28

  • volfan28 said...

    Butch took over at CMU after Brian left then he took over at Cincy after Brian left. Butch would have watched every play from the year prior to his arrival at both CMU and Cincy. He would have to be blind to not see success and stupid to not imitate some of the things Brian did, considering he inherited the players Brian was successful with.

    Perhaps, but I don't think it's a given. Maybe he borrowed a few ideas, but I don't think most of these coaches alter their approach to football that late in their career based on what someone else that they've never coached with does.

    For example, I don't think Dooley gave a flip about what Kiffin did here in '09.

    I know that's not the greatest example, and I'll probably get toasted for it, but I guess I just think it's more likely he had his own philosophy and way of doing things pretty cemented before he watched Brian Kelly film.

    "People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know" -Bear Bryant

    Denver Vol ●

  • Denver Vol said...

    Perhaps, but I don't think it's a given. Maybe he borrowed a few ideas, but I don't think most of these coaches alter their approach to football that late in their career based on what someone else that they've never coached with does.

    For example, I don't think Dooley gave a flip about what Kiffin did here in '09.

    I know that's not the greatest example, and I'll probably get toasted for it, but I guess I just think it's more likely he had his own philosophy and way of doing things pretty cemented before he watched Brian Kelly film.

    Maybe. I have no idea. Just guessing based on what I would do. Maybe someone on the board has watched enough of Butch and Brian to see how their philosophy compares

    volfan28

  • volfan28 said...

    Maybe. I have no idea. Just guessing based on what I would do. Maybe someone on the board has watched enough of Butch and Brian to see how their philosophy compares

    Yeah, I definitely need another opinion, because I don't know jack squat about Brian Kelly football. I've literally not watched a single Notre Dame game this year.

    "People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know" -Bear Bryant

    Denver Vol ●

  • Wasn't Butch Jones on Brian Kelly's staff at CMU? I cannot remember but I thought he was OC or something. I might be way off here though.

    woody_12

  • The true comparison is that ND is going to get beat at least as bad as UT did by UA. Notr dame is a 4 loss team n the SEC.

    DCVOL

  • DCVOL said...

    The true comparison is that ND is going to get beat at least as bad as UT did by UA. Notr dame is a 4 loss team n the SEC.

    They do look terrible

    volfan28

  • woody_12 said...

    Wasn't Butch Jones on Brian Kelly's staff at CMU? I cannot remember but I thought he was OC or something. I might be way off here though.

    I don't think he was ever on Kelly's staff. CBJ was an OC there but it was sometime before Kelly coached.

    dogassnat

  • volfan28 said...

    They do look terrible

    bot i changed my pick this morning after doing some reading and thought nd would beat them bama that is....should have stuck with bama for my pick ..but o well still aint pulling for bama
    come back i hope...

    vols4life1969 ●

  • dogassnat said...

    I don't think he was ever on Kelly's staff. CBJ was an OC there but it was sometime before Kelly coached.

    Pretty sure Butch was Brian's OC in 2004

    volfan28

  • volfan28 said...

    Pretty sure Butch was Brian's OC in 2004

    Thats what I thought.. I might have been wrong.

    woody_12

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    UTOsby ●

  • Denver Vol said...

    For example, I don't think Dooley gave a flip about what Kiffin did here in '09.

    I consider that a Lane bash therefore I am obligated to give you a +1 as per my oath.

    BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!

    OrangeNCarolina ●

  • volfan28 said...

    I could be wrong, because I haven't watched much of Butch Jones either, but from what I can remember of the UT-Cincy game is that Cincy didn't try to force the long ball. Their passing game was built more around shorter, rhythm-based, routes like slants and curls.

    Well, I messed that post up...

    Basically all I said was that AJ is better than Teo, and Kelley's passing game appears to be more vertical than Jones. Oh and it looks like Kelley runs more stuff under center.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by volfan28 on 1/8/2013 at 8:29 AM

    volfan28

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