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I love Johnny as much as anyone, but National Champion coach or not, his first four years at UT were 4-7, 5-5-1, 7-5 and 5-6. What about that record was better than Dooley's? Maybe more importantly, his first job at Iowa State produced records of 3-7, 3-7,5-6, 8-4 and 5-6-1, similar but probably not quite as good as Dooley's record at La Tech. Then Pitt took a chance on a coach with a losing record, who would soon become a National Champioship coach. His record at Pitt in his first three years was 6-5-1, 7-4 and 8-4. Not far off from Dooley's record at UT,but a little better (so far). The difference being the second year which was obviously a disaster for us, but I'm pretty sure you don't fire a coach for one bad season (especially with the injuries that we had).
I just don't get why people are ready to write this guy off after two years. It was a dumpster fire, no ifs ands or buts. The program is in much better shape than it was two years ago. As long as we keep improving, we will get there.
The program is in a lot better position now but johnny majors wouldn't of had the opportunities the way he did back then now people want results now no one has patients anymore if. Your not in the running for national championship ur first year your A failure
Thanks for the post. I posted similar info a couple months ago that stimulated some good conversation. The only good point counter to supporting Dooley was that Majors had a more proven track record with the experience at Pitt. My belief is that we really need Dooley to be the guy and the mess that he inherited was so bad that he needs/deserves more time. I believe that we are making progress. My wish is that people would let things play out before we write him off.
This post was edited by AllArng 18 months ago
I think we agree, but the jist of it is that Johnny didn't have a National Championship on his resume when Pitt hired him, his record was actually pretty similar to Dooley's at La Tech. Pitt had patience with him, and I think if we show the same patience, we'll eventually have a chance to have similar results.
I predict we will get a top running back this incoming class and rack up on some good sound defensive players. It's the SEC and Dooley knows to compete for conference titles he has to run the ball and put a great defense on the field. We have some depth on the offensive side for a couple of years.
Majors inherited very few good players. The facilities had dropped down to below SEC Caliber Levels. Majors started winning when Doug Dickey and the administration made a concernted effort to upgrade the facilities to among the best in the country. This was back in the mid Eighties. He also made some key staff additions that really helped. Phil Fulimer was hired and was an excellent line coach and recruiter. Larry Maramie also came along was an important staff addition on the defensive side of the ball. Kippy Brown was another addition that was very key on the offensive side. He was also an excellent recruiter. Majors also landed some key recruits during that era. Chuck Webb, Reggie Cobb, Carl Pickens, Alving Harper and several offensive lineman that went on to play on sunday afternoon. These lineman included Antoine Davis, Charles McCrae, Harry Gailbreath, Eric Still, etc.
The kicking game was also excellent under Coach Majors and Coach Cafego.
Welcome to the board UT Big Scott! Great first post. One thing though, you can't forget one of Coach Majors' key assistants - Ken Donohue, the mastermind of the destruction of Vinny Testeverde and the Hurricanes in the Sugar Bowl!
"Old School"! A strong defense wins championships!
Turnarounds take patience. Few of today's "I want to win now" fans have any.
Majors didn't win eight games at Tennessee until his fifth year. He didn't win nine until year seven. Yet he is the coach that laid the foundation of the '90s and our greatest successes.
Patience is a virtue, and a must in building a winning college football program.
Or how about Coach K's first 3 years at Duke:
He was a young unproven Bobby Knight disciple and the fan base was trying to run him out after the third year. The AD gave him a new contract that infuriated the boosters and the rest is history.
Was the consensus later on, UT should have kept Battle? Or was the feeling the program was just dropping more and more?
I always wondered about that. I remember looking at Majors' first few years and wondering how he survived.
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Keith, i think we had too much emotionally invested in Johnny saving us that there was no looking back.
This post was edited by Jersey Vol 18 months ago
Speaking of Saban, look up his first four years at MSU after coming from mid-major Toledo and a few NFL coaching positions. (Spoiler alert: It's not much to brag about.)
Patience, people. We must have patience.
+1+1+1+1+1 - If only I could award multiple points for this post!
Majors coached in a time when there was 1 less game (and thus a little harder to get to 8 wins). He also played the following non-conference opponents his first 3 years: Cal (7-4), Boston College (6-5), Oregon State (2-9), Georgia tech (6-5), Memphis (6-5), #9 UCLA (8-3-1), Oregon St (3-7-1), Army (4-6-1), Duke (4-7), #14 Notre Dame (9-3), Boston College (5-6), Utah (6-6), Georgia Tech (4-6-1), Rutgers (8-3), #13 Notre Dame (7-4), #12 Purdue (10-2).
Dooley has played the following NC schedule: UTM (FCS), #7 Oregon (12-1), UAB (4-8), Memphis (1-11), Montana (FCS), Cincy (10-3), Buffalo (3-9), MTSU (2-10), NC St (4-2), Akron (1-5), Georgia St (FCS).
Majors NC schedule was considerably tougher than Dooley's.
However, the SEC is bigger and more difficult these days as well, though Bama won the National Title in 2 of Major's first three years and in his first season the SEC had two top 10 teams in the final poll and two in the top 16 in the other years. Of Dooley's 18 SEC games so far, 11 have been against ranked teams. He is, of course, 0-11. In Majors first three years he played 18 SEC games, only 5 were against teams ranked when he played them. He went 0-5. In SEC games against unranked teams Majors was 7-6. In Dooley's SEC games against unranked SEC teams he is 4-3.
Majors record after 3 years was 1-8 v ranked teams, 7-11 in the SEC, 2-6 in SEC road games and 3-7 overall on the road. He beat#13 Notre Dame, and also beat an 8-3 Auburn team that finished the year #16 in the country. Dooley's record is 0-12 v ranked, 4-14 in the SEC, 1-8 on the road in the SEC and 2-8 on the road overall. His best win to date is over Cincy (though NC State is pending).
So Majors played 4 less games against ranked teams, while Dooley played 3 teams that aren't Div I and a few others that don't really play the same level of football as UT. Dooley has 1 win while at UT over a team that finished the year over .500 (though I'm willing to bet the number is at least 2 by year end with NCST). Majors had 2 through his first two years and finished his 3rd year with 5 such wins. Prior to coming to TN Majors had numerous wins over teams that finished .500 or better. Dooley had 2.
Prior to getting back to UT Majors had tallied 5 wins over ranked teams and 29 road wins. Dooley had no wins over ranked teams and 4 road wins. Majors had five years (including one at Iowa State) where his team was ranked at least part of the year in the top 20, and two teams had finished in the final poll. By his third year at TN he had the Vols ranked in the AP poll for 5 weeks during the year. Dooley had never had a ranked team until the week before the Florida game when TN moved up to #23.
Dooley generated his pre-UT record at Louisiana Tech which played in the WAC which had 1 team in the final Top 25 poll each of his 3 years. Majors generated his record in the Big 8 which had multiple teams in the top 20 poll each year he was there, two national title winners and one year where the Big 8 had the #1, #2 and #3 spots in the final AP poll. That and at Pitt, an independent.
Majors had just won a national title, he had proved he could get the job done and had earned the benefit of the doubt. With Dooley we hope he can get the job done and some folks think things are getting better, even if it has yet to show up in the wins column.
Those are the numbers. Folks can decide for themselves how close the comparison is.
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