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I'm not sure about the rest of this post, as I'm not in position to know. However, I will say that Dr. Bruce is absolutely a great choice for Faculty Athletic Representative. He has a tremendous mind for economic issues, and could probably quote you numbers on the economic cog that UTAD represents for the community. He's also just a tremendous guy with integrity and respected by his colleagues. Most importantly for this purpose, he's a sports guy. He doesn't miss UT games often. He's not shuffled around like a VIP. He parks and rides the shuttle bus at bball games like the rest of us who go to cheer on our Vols.
I've never attended UT, but I grew up around the University and have interfaced with hundreds of people there over the years. Don Bruce is in my top 3 of people over there who impressed me.
The silence of W/R/K in this thread is deafening. FWIW, I had a meeting yesterday with a trustee. I was impressed with his knowledge and concern about the football program. He thinks/hopes CBJ is the right guy.
I would really like to know more about this topic. Rucker? Rucker?
lots of great info, thoughts & opinions in this thread guys & i for one am appreciative of it. kudos to utswamper for his efforts in getting this information out!
The first couple of times I posted on this subject and declared the media, including 247, asleep at the wheeel, I got booted off.
So don't get your hopes up with them.
I really am an outsider, I would love to get input here from people who have more information and insights - know where to get it.
I've opined in earlier threads on this issue that W/R/K are not in a position to do investigative reporting on historical academic/athletic interactions at UT. It's just outside the realm of what they are charged to do. I have also strongly suggested that this is ripe material for the News-Sentinel to pursue, as they at least have some staff covering education and general assignment sportswriters. IMO, the finger pointing should go in that direction.
This post was edited by RockytopATL 13 months ago
You may be right RATL, but I'd be a little insulted to think people only thought I was fit to cover recruiting, practice and games. These guys are good reporters, and good reporters can cover anything.
The KNS general staff ought to be on this thing, sure enough. They are as useless as ever.
I wonder why one of them doesn't comment? Even just to say they're not going to?
In regards to the thread, it sounds like positive changes are being made and I'm glad to read about them. Thanks for all the info UTswamper.
Are there no competent student journalists at the Daily Beacon? They would be in a prime position to dig into the apex of academics and athletics at the university.
You have a valid position, but let me counter. What if this site was dedicated to the Titans? What if there was a major shake-up in th efront office? Would they at least report that it happened? If so, would they report why it happened?
What if there had been a change in ownership 12 years ago? What if that resulted in an on-going drama in the front office?
Finally, investigativ e reporting is exactly what this site sells. Lookaat all the reportin g that went into the coaching hire. Apparently this was a major isue in that process, but it was never reported on - at least in any depth. How investigation does it take to google the minutes?
Yesterday, someone posted that this was an active issue at the previous BOT meeting and would therefore have currency during the time of the coaching search/hire.
I'm sorry. I know this reads like I am calling you out. I am not.
All I can say is, it's about time the athletic dept grew a backbone and handled their business.
Glad to see Hart making these moves and to be honest I am surprised that Cheek is gong along with this. Cheek may see the writing on the wall and would rather stay the Chancellor than not.
There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. - Winston Churchill
Swamper, thanks for bringing this to light. I also enjoy listening to Doug Matthews and he seems to know more about the behind the scenes issues at the University than many of the reporters do. I am not sure what all these changes mean at this time but I hoping that they will correct the problems that have developed between the University and the Athletic Department.
I found this thread and the information Swamper pieced together very, very interesting. Thanks for sharing and +1 to you.
DUDE...that's awesome. thanks for the research and update. I haven't read KNS in years....they are a bunch of hacks and do no real journalism anyhow.... the Chatt Times is a far better paper but all their stars end up going to bigger and better places...well I guess that's how it is supposed to work, unlike KNS which has a bunch of slugs leaching off the you know what!
I can't believe what you summaized up above wasn't taken care of years ago....or this was the trail of the Bensel Myers thing....goood lard, that was ridiculous then, and now .... since we thought the problem ridded itself and it hasn't....even more ridiculous NOW!!!!
Everyone always talks about "the boosters" and Jim Haslem...and how much power they weld...but obviously enough...they were asleep for long enough to loose control of the wheel..... whatever the case I am glad the ship is HOPEFULLY getting righted.
And the Provost I don't care who or what she is....should absolutely be fired if she mismanged funds from the AD. I mean how is that different than a President of a University mismanaging funds to redecorate his house????
We shouldn't have to put up with lack luster talent at the player positions....nor the President/Chancelor, Provost, AD, or any other tax payer / alumni supported roles. Structure is everything to a solid house!
The more I have dug into this, the more I think about Fulmer. I admit I was a Fulmer fan and did not like the way some in the media treated him at the end. But by the end, I felt that Fulmer needed to go. Now, I have to wonder, but I don't want to turn this into yet another referendum on Fulmer.
i will note that while John Adams was ripping Fulmer for his incompetence, he and his staff left the rest of us in the dark about all these shenanigans. What would have been the public response ito the deteriorating performance of the football team f we had all known that how much control the chancelllor and faculty senate had over the AD?
To my mind, Adams and company "buried the lede". Yet neither he nor the faculty senate want to take responsibility for their performance.
Here is one interesting anecdote from reading the minutes of a faculty senate meeting. Dave Hart attended the meting soon after being hired to make him self available to them and to solicit questions and comments. One professor complained that the noise from the practice field was interfering with his class. Hart responded that was probably due to playing loud crowd noise through the PA during practice to help prepare the team for a road game. The professor responded that Hart was not being responsive to his complaint. uys, this is not rumor. This is what is written in the published minutes. I doubt that the professor's sarcastic response would not have been in the minutes if that professor did not ask the secretary of the senate to include them for public consumption.
Again, this is an anecdotal incident, but I think it speaks volumes about the group that has really been in charge of the AD for the past 12 years.
Here are the minutes. Look at Page 3.
This post was edited by UTSwamper 13 months ago
Yes - at the time, I wanted CPF fired, but had I known that the academics were pulling the rug out from under him with these steps,I,would have instead been far more interested in the academics being fired (or at least marginalized to the extent possible). I wonder where Adams and his buddies were when this,was going on? I just heard about this whole thing last year (granted have lived out of state for many years). Is too late for Fulmer, but these people need to go and things need to change.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by DCVOL 13 months ago
It was time for Fulmer to go not because of academic issues but the fact that the rest of the league passed him by. He put it on auto pilot and was not able to manage his staff or recruit to the levels he needed. Saban, Urban, and Richt outworked him. He relied on Chief and Cutcliff to run things and took his hands off the wheel. Which was fine until Cutcliff left both times and our offense tanked. I love Fulmer and he is a legend but it was time for him to go. And to paint his failings as the result of academic issues is revisionist history.
This post was edited by jacvol12 13 months ago
I know what you are saying, swamper, but trust me, chasing a coaching search is not investigative reporting. It may seem like it, but it's not. Neither is pursuing high school recruits to see where they might sign.
Investigative reporting usually involves is ferreting out secrets related to crime, political corruption, corporate (or in this case, institutional) wrongdoing. An investigative journalist may spend months or years researching and preparing a report. Much of it is digging through publicly available documents, as you did, but it also involves Open Records Law or Freedom of Information Act requests for previously unavailable documents. It also includes searching out unexpected sources -- that means people who know what happened but don't want to talk publicly. It means persuading people to leak secret documents or speak off the record.
An investigative story is a huge undertaking. You can't really do it while you continue to cover games, practices and recruiting.
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