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Just how big a project Dooley had when he got here. Maybe a little easier than what Croom did at MSU but, when you have to rebuild something from the ground up, it takes TIME. Of course, Vol fans don't want to hear that.
Agreed- what great story and great man
Quit settling for mediocracy. Actually, mediocracy would mean that we would have played in a bowl game last season. We are no better now than we were in 2010.
I don't think you can compare rebuilding at MSU to Tennessee. I could be wrong but our facilities, resources, etc are much better than at MSU.
It is much harder to rebuild at MSU than at UT. Croom is is a great man who did things the right way but it just wasn't enough to keep his job.
In what aspect of football are we no better this year than last year?
The way Croom did things will NEVER work in the SEC. When it came to the way he handled the education side of things, to the way he said there would be no extra benefits. Let's face it, EVERY school that is winning is cheating in some way...
Actually one of my favorite quotes from Wes ( I think it was Wes) who said "Show me a coach who isn't cheating, and I'll show you a fired coach"
Dooley took over a program in ruins. Kiffen left in the middle of the night; only a few weeks before national signing day. He tried to take recruits with him to USC. Orange nation was in panic. Because the AD was cheap - did not want to pay on par with Alabama and other SEC powers and did not want to buy out Kiffen's assistants so Cutcliffe could bring own staff - and that there is not a ton of in-state talent to recruit (although may be changing) each year, UT was a tough sell to big name coaches. NONE of them wanted the job. The program is light years ahead of where it was in 2010. When UT went to LSU in 2010, nearly two-thirds of their team had Never dressed for an SEC road game. In 2010, UT only had about 65 scholarship players when, generally, all other opponents had the 85 NCAA max. There was very little speed on the team - particularly compared to 2012, Simms was avg at best, LBs were small, and the 2-deep was filled with underclassmen. The list goes on. Dooley is a good organizer and surprisingly good recruiter (given the W-L state of the program). The jury is out as to whether Dooley is a good in-game coach, but this program is in much better shape now than in 2010 and is headed in a positive direction. To be fair, one can debate whether it is moving fast enough or faster than the other SEC programs they face. But - unless UT suddenly grew a money tree and can pay $3 Million plus (minimum) annually for a head coach, will allow them to hire their own assistants, and has a big name coach lined up and ready to go, firing Dooley would be a disaster. In the absence of $$$, a suitable big name replacement, etc., we need at least one more year to make that assessment/decision.
I'm a little confused. Are you defending Dooley by comparing him to a coach that had one winning season in five years (which was an 8-5 record) and something like a 36% win percentage?
Further thought. Dan Mullen took over in 2009 following Croom's last year, a year that saw MSU finish with a 4-8 record including losses to La Tech, UK and a bad UT team. In just his second season Mullen guided the Bulldogs to a 9-4 record, a bowl win and a final AP national ranking of 15. He currently has his team at 4-0 and ranked 23.
It is also worth noting that Mississippi produces A LOT of HS football talent - is actually closer geographically and demographically to Memphis (arguably the primary HSFB talent bed in TN) than Knoxville is - and MSU a relatively easy school to get into (no offense meant to MSU). MSU also did have the full 85 scholarship player allotment when Mullen took over (not 60-65 players like UT). MSU also did not have the murderous schedule like UT (SC, UGA, AL, FLA, ARK, LSU - back to back to back to back to back).
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Come no think of it, after watching that documentary, Shulas demise came against Miss ST, could be Dooley's as well, just saying.
Actually the bulk of that ms state team are croom recruits right now
What can you show me that proves we are better?
This! He had the toughest part of the rebuild and made it a lot easier for Mullen. Croom is a class act and a good coach. He got the ball rolling for the program. From what I remember their defense was great under him just didn't have the play makers on the other side of the ball.
The narrative that Tennessee doesn't have the homegrown talent like some SEC schools is correct by the numbers, but UT has never, never, never been unable to recruit when its coaches put the work in. Tennessee has the largest recruiting budget in the SEC and the facilities which were the standard for quite sometime are trending back to the top of the heap. It has been reported that the problem, in recruiting at UT, is that coaches lose time with their families traveling all over recruiting, and alot of coaches, specifically established coaches don't want that grind. My understanding is that Dooley has reigned that in a little and UT coaches only recruit worthy players in certain states that have shown an interest in UT already. I give Dooley credit for putting in the work, but I believe most competent coaches and staffs can recruit top 15 talent to UT. The real test is can a coach do what Fulmer did and get top 5 classes. Fulmer was let go in 2008 and prior to the drum beating his 2009 recruiting class was in the top five on Rivals- only four years ago. I have no doubt that Kiff's 2010 class would have finished in the top 5, based on reports at the time and based on who was already in the fold.
So, yes UT doesn't have the backyard talent pool like some, but it has the resources to go get talent and over the years has consistently been able to do it. The real factor is the amount of energy UT coaches have to expend to get the same talent along with probably more personal sacrifices. I think sometime fans get caught up in repeating certain narratives and the narrative evolves into an implicit expectation that UT can't recruit with the big boys of the SEC and that's not true. It just takes more resources, which the AD, donors, and boosters provide, and more effort and sacrifices on behalf of the coaches than say Fl, GA, AL, or LSU coaches.
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