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Look at the run game. Last year we couldnt run the ball on anyone, not even our cupcake games. Tackling looks a lot better this year. We still average over 500 yards of offense. (Team record was set for yards over 4 games). Defense makes more plays. Remember how many picks we had this time last year at this point? Zero, our leading int guy was a linebacker. To say there's not been any improvement since 2010 is crazy. I don't know the stats but I would say yards per carry is close to double from last year to this year. 1 loss and everyone goes into a fire Dooley rant. We're still on pace to win as many games as most thought. Before the season started Nc state and Florida was toss up games and we got the split. We will get to 8 wins at least this year counting the bowl game.
Agree the program has definitely improved. Can Dooley move the program beyond significant improvement to contender to champ? In my opinion he's got to 1. Win a game or two he is not supposed to win (Things might be totally different around here had he gotten the wins against LSU and UNC); 2. sign an elite back or locate one on his roster; 3. Consistently recruit consensus top 10 classes (assuming he gets the chance). I used to believe that top 15 classes could do it but when I look at LSU, Bama, Florida and GA (questionable coaching here at times), I just dont' know if top 15 consistency is going to cut it in the SEC.
Compared to last two years: Better run stats, better passing stats, 3-1 record with win over team picked by many as the dark horse to win the ACC, and only loss to 11th ranked team in the country (that will likely go up as weeks pass). Also - much more SEC quality depth at many more positions. Of course, you never know how things turn out until you play the games, but I don't feel like the last two years where because you lost to Florida you just suck and will be pounded by the rest of the SEC teams on your schedule. I think UT stands a better than realistic chance of beating SC and MSU and Missouri. I don't think a win at UGA this weekend would be comparable to the "1980 miracle on ice" in upset status. UT has a good offense (or at least talented pieces). They just have to get it done and the defense has to stop giving up big plays. I still think 8-4 (or even 9-3 with the right breaks) is entirely possible.
#1 We don't have money to get a big name coach if Dooley is fired this year. We can thank Hamilton for that. Maybe we get boosters to dish it out, but it'll take a lot. #2 There's not any established coaches out there who don't already have a good thing going for for them. A ton of money would get us one of them, but we just don't have it right now. With the mistakes that have put us here I'll settle for a reputable coach and mediocrity for now. Firing Dooley just digs a deeper hole. Next year may be a completely different story though.
This post was edited by dogassnat 19 months ago
UT's Points per game, Total Offense, Pass completion rate, Avg per pass attempt, passing per game, Yards per rush, and Rushing Yards per Game are all currently the highest they have been in the past 7 years. Going all the way back to the 2006 season (because that is as far back as I looked), we have not been better statistically in these key categories than we are now. Does that mean we are great? No. Does that mean we will finish the season with these same numbers? No. But each stat is good enough that even with tail off through the SEC schedule that we are statistically doing very well. The team needs better mental toughness and to learn how to finish games, but I definitely believe that the facts show we are better. Much better than we were from 2008-2011. I have stat breakdowns for those too if you need. The team isn't where we want them to be, but no one can say that they haven't improved.
Even if Kiffin had stayed at UT, 2011 would have been a rough season. That was known as far back as 2009.
I don't understand how fans blame all the recruiting problems on Dooley. If you believe that recruits come to play for Tennessee then I think you need to think again. These kids come to Tennessee to play for the coach that recruits them. I know we have lost recruits in the past because of his job status. Hart should have endorsed Dooley giving him sufficient time to build the program. The hire was made and Dooley has made progress but we need better talent. The fans need to think about the program and support it versus constantly running Dooley in the ground.
l think Saban makes 5 million a year. If you want a coach to turn it around quickly, hire someone like Saban and pay the price. Tennessee should have the money.
I read an article on the front page, sport section of the Ledger-Enquirer, Columbus, GA. It was all about Dooley on the hot seat and how good recruits will not come to Tennessee because of it.
I hear you, but there are reasons outside of the name of the coach many of the kids Meyer got at Florida or now at OSU wouldn't have gone to Utah when he was there. There are reasons why Saban couldn't get the same kids he's getting now at Bama when he was at MSU. There are also reasons, outside of the coach that allow Dooley to get kids to come to Tennessee that would never have played for him at La Tech. Many of those reasons are location, some of it is conference, but a good amount is the school and the resources the school makes available to the coach to recruit these kids.
I don't think Dooley's going anywhere after this year, because I think he wins 8 games, and if he doesn't he'll be here due to the prohibitive 5 mil buyout and the buyouts of the staff, but if the donors finance a change after three years with this buyout, the smart money would have to be on them also willing to spend money on a big time coach.
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I just don't see how anyone in their right mind could fire a coach in 3 years. Why shouldn't they be able to have a senior class? Some of you guys are ridiculous. Do you really think that a new coach will wash away our sins?
Lack of in-state talent is not a narrative - unfortunately, it is fact. I mentioned that because we were talking about Mullen at MSU. He walked into a state school where there is usually plenty of talent. Much easier to recruit in-state talent than out of state. That stated -- yes - in years past - when UT was Winning - we got plenty of bigtime out of state talent. We have not won for three or four years ( a players whole high school career). That makes this task much harder to accomplish. That is why UTs recruiting budget is the largest in the SEC. They need it. I say this as someone who freely admits it was a mistake to fire Fulmer (which I wanted at the time). However, the fact is he was fired and the program was at a very low point when Dooley got her (not even enough scholarship players to fill out the 85 man limit). Point being - that Mullen inherited a situation that was actually (somehow?) better than what Dooley got. And it is too early to start talking about firing Dooley (which to be fair your post was not - but plenty of others are) when he has not even had a seniors class yet and UT is 3-1 on the year with a victory over NC State - whom many picked as a dark horse to win the ACC and only one loss to 11th ranked Florida (who may rise much higher by season's end).
We're a few great players away from being a good team. If we had a great running back like GREEN, an Al Wilson type linebacker and a pass rusher. A great punter and kicker would be great. This could be the year if we get some of these top recruits. We have to recruit better to get back to the top.
I don't think people will know where we are as a program until after these next 4 games. If we recovered UF's fumble on the goal line, or scored on that drive with 20 minutes left, or not lost contain on that 80 yard run, we most likely beat UF and everyone is screaming how we are back.
I'd forgotten about that......
So true. A very thoughtful post.
Hart has more intelligence than issuing a career ending endorsement. Moving vans are ready. Brink Trunks are loaded. It's coming!!!
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