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Not sure it's fair to judge the entire fanbase because the one guy was a nervous Nellie because Butch didn't have a bunch of five stars signed after three weeks on the job.
As much as it hurts me to say Kiffin did all the work, and Dooley just kept the wheels on the bus.
That's true but what do the fans and sports writers, etc remember about a fan base? The fans that are overreacting. Even Wes has said our fan base is very vitrolic and so has several of my friends from different schools. I have an LSU alum as a friend saying they always wanna get rid of Les Miles after one of his bonehead moves and he says even their fanbase isn't as bad as ours.
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I agree, arrogant would be the last way I would describe CBJ from what I have seen and herd from him
Hey buddy how's that coaching staff Kevin sumlin brought from Houston to AM? From Houston? Houston not even close to sec caliber right...... O wait those guys would have whipped our butts the last couple coaching regimes. Your argument is flawed man, Hugh freeze was a high school coach not all that long ago. Nick Saban got started at Valdosta state dude. I understand being critical and not agreeing with everything a programs does. Seriously though guys he hasn't even been the coach for a month give him a chance, why would any kid in the country what to come play for such negative fans, last I checked no one has ever won every game they ever played and landed every recruit they ever tried to get. Chill out and quit being so negative it's unhealthy for the program and no one likes a negative nancy cheer up buddy ;) o yea that number one player worked out great, o wait he didn't want to be here just like his coach. Butch wants to be here BAD and is a way better football coach than the last guy.
Look guys yeah a big coach can get the best kids with his name or his dads name and get the best (name) staff but all that don't matter if they can't coach them to give 100%. Kiffin has signed real good classes at USC and look at them now after year 3. So ill take an AVERAGE coach that can teach than a name.
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Really liked the way the Kiffin era worked out. Lets judge the product on the field. The best players in UT history were no more than 4 star recruits and most were 3. Of course Peyton and a few others were exceptions because they had talent and character. How are all those stars working for him now? Honestly do you really believe Bryce Brown was the best RB in the nation, much less player? I sure don't. Personally I'm more excited about the change in attitude, work ethic, and feeling for the program again than disappointed with the lack of stars. Very inexact science. Arrogant, you must be thinking about DD.
Ahh yes and where were those highly touted recruits of Kiffin's? How did those work out for you? Do you want to rehash the recruiting tactics and why we have sanctions on us? Kiffin Pushed the envelope too far and got cut. Well he didn't get anything except a new job. We got cut.
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I'm gonna refrain from comparing Dooley and Jones as coaches based off 2 months on the recruiting trail. Call me crazy but I'll probably wait 2 seasons then see where we are as a program. If the team is regressing in all dimensions and there's a mass exodus of assistants due to CBJ being impossible to work with then I'll break out the pitchforks and torches on the UTAD.
Give the guy a freakin chance. I don't down vote. But if I did, this would be one of those times. He's our coach for the next few years. The best thing we can all do is be supportive unless or until he proves he no longer deserves our support
Cincy Bearcats 2012 season record 10W - 3L.....UT 6W - 7L....Arrogance????? Big difference between confidence and arrogance. Dooley was arrogant, CBJ is confident. Didn't a Big East team loaded with 3* talent lay the wood to the Gators recently? Didn't Cincy beat a very much improved Duke team with virtually no staff on hand to prepare for that game? Right now the big east record in bowl play is very good. So yeah,....they weren't all playing top ranked teams in bowls, but were in bowls, and got the W's. So just because a new coach and staff are busting their humps on recruiting in the short time remaining, and by your standards are coming up short in some ways affords him the title of "arrogant"? You sir are sadly mistaken! GBO, and go CBJ & Staff!!!!!
Very Nice point and post! Some folks need to have their heads surgically removed from their rear ends.....or get the blinders off. They are in fantasy land living in how things used to be, instead of reality. I wish they would pack it up and abandon ship! Sick of the all the negativity, and downing of our coach and staff. amazing since they haven't even played a game yet, or NSD hasn't even came and went yet! GBO!!!
Jones has won or clinched a share of FOUR conference titles in six years as a HC, at two different schools. His record over the last two seasons (excluding the Belk Bowl) is 19-5. That's not arrogance he's speaking from, it's confidence based on actual results.
Thank you! +1
I am very negative on this hire, the staff that has been put together, and the recruiting noise thus far. That said, I really like your post. You at least give some basis for your optimism versus the usual blind faith nonsense most post on this board. That said, I believe we are in for a rough ride. Just don't see the Central Michigan coaching staff circa 2007 making noise in the SEC. As you said though . . he is better than the last guy.
Interesting how JJ Watt was a TE for Jones in 2007 at C. Michigan. Left after one year due to lack of utilization and ended up being who he is today.
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Can't we just let the comparison at that... the situations are night and day.
Well stated alaska! +1
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JJ was a Tight end at Central Mich. and was 40 lbs smaller. according to the article. Had he worked that hard and put on 40 lbs of muscle and been the beast that showed up at Wisconsin don't you think CBJ would have noticed.
Bottom line is CBJ has been a WINNER EVERYWHERE he has coached. Unfortunately I cannot say the same about our last 2 coaches.
Give the guy a chance as you seem to have done for others.
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Geneharrogate thank you for not accusing me of being a sunshine pumper or living on some alternate planet. Anyone can disagree with a hire and you are entitled to that and we are here to discuss it. When I mean negative I really am talking about the people who literally look for every step CBJ takes as a chance to twist it around and make it out that cause he didn't hire this coach or didn't recruit that kid that he is going to drive our program straight to hell. It seems to me that you are are critical while some others are bitter and just plain mean. Trashing kids or coaches cause there two stars or there resume is less than spectacular is ridiculous and pathetic.
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