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I agree that getting a BCS bid in a weak conference is a FAR cry from getting one in the SEC. But what does that have to do with anything. Dooley has never managed to get close to a BCS bid anywhere. Let's take Tennessee out of the discussion. Just compare Dooley's resume before he came to Tennessee with Charlie's Strong's. Can you really say that Dooley's is anywhere close. Urban Meyer, Brian Kelley, and many other coaches have came from smaller programs and done extremely well in the big time. I personally believe that Charlie Strong is cut from that same cloth. The difference between those guys and Dooley is they actually won at the smaller programs before getting the keys to a bigger program. I would hate to go through another transition as well, but please point out to me one thing in Dooley's background that should give the fanbase confidence that he is going to turn us around.
Sure, Strong is not a home run guaranteed success, but in reality, no one is. But with Strong, you've got:
1) winning record in a BCS conference (Dooley was a losing coach in a non-BCS conference), and
2) had huge success as a coordinator in the SEC (Dooley was a special teams and position coach)
Neither of those mean he is a national championship winning coach, but when you line the two up against each other, it's hard to make the argument that Dooley is better. As you say, it's hard to compare the two perfectly, but what advantage do you give to Dooley other than "he's already here and we want stability"?
Another point: stability is overrated at this stage. It was important in Dooley's first couple of years because the roster needed time to build back up, but it is less so now. New coaches CAN be successful right away, and a "stable" program can still be a losing program.
I don't see how Hart could ever entertain the notion of hiring Petrino in the aftermath of the Kiffen fiasco. It would just be WAAAYYY too risky with what happened before. I know they don't have the same baggage, but public opinion would be even worse than at another school looking at hiring Petrino because of the way the Kiffen thing happened. Hart needs to hire someone that the school, players, and fanbase can rally behind from Day 1. Petrino may work out somewhere else, but IMO it would be disasterous to hire him here, now.
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You can't compare the two coaches because they haven't coached in the same atmospheres. I couldn't disagree more that stability is overrated. Agree to disagree.
He would lose any donors in the Atlanta area. Petrino would not be a good hire. You want to divide the fan base even more... Make that hire. It wouldn't be pretty.
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Petrino would be interesting. He is obviously a scumbag, but I don't think he has ever been in any sort of trouble with the NCAA. I personally would be against hiring him, but I'm not sure how I would feel if he came in and led us to a 10-2 season with wins over Florida or Alabama. I'm not sayting that would happen, but if it did I think alot of us would probably change our minds pretty quick.
You can argue the merits of each if you want but dont say that because Louisville is undefeated that Strong would be a HUGE upgrade as they have played nobody! Their best win is against Cincy (sound familiar)...any doubts that they would be 0-5 with our SEC schedule so far? The Vols are actually ranked higher than them in the Sagarin computer rankings due to the schedules.
I definetely have doubts that Strong would be 0-5 in the SEC with our schedule. Georgia, Miss. St, and South Carolina were all winnable games. Florida and Bama would have beat us no matter who the coach, but the other three losses a great coach could have made a difference. Once again, take Tennessee out of it. Compare Dooley's resume (minus UT) to Strong's. It's not close. Dooley has NEVER beat a ranked team, and NEVER won a big game. What makes you think he's going to start now after 6 years as a head coach?
Please completely ignore important things like the the complete pile of dung he inherited, playing in by far the most difficult conference in the country, losing more than half of your staff in year 2. You can say it's making excuses all day, but the fact remains - all that counts. Keep on firing coaches after giving them (LOL) 3 years to build this piece of excriment and see if we don't turn into Ole Miss having to hire high school coaches to be your head coach.
You still cannot compare Charlie Strong to him. They haven't even coached in the same league, and even if they had there is no way he could step into a bigger mess than Dooley did here.
Strong can get players that don't have the grades for schools in conferences like the SEC. I don't doubt he's a good coach but the Louisville fans were ready to can him after his first couple of seasons, just like some here are with Dooley.
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I have been a Volunteer for 44 years now we hire Petrino and I'm done with them . I would not nor will I ever trade wins for integrity . Petrino is a classless bum and should never be a head coach again . Look at his track record it speaks for it self .
What's brown and sounds like a bell? Dung!
Feces. Scatology. Excrement. Filth. Poo-poo. Solid Human Waste. In giant, landfill-sized mountains.
Such was our program when Dooley took it over.
I agree w/both of the above posters about Petrino. No way; no how; no more $$$ for the Univ. from me; and the win total d/n matter.
As for Strong, he sure didn't look too swooft when he cussed out the ref and drew a flag arguing a rule he didn't even know on the muff/touchback. I was sorely disappointed, because I thought he was smarter than that. Since they apparently love him up there, too, he might not be too eager to jump out of a place where they're prepared to pay him a lot more to stay, and jump into the SEC fire.
Only thing in his support I can admit is that I've wondered myself if this bunch of Vols couldn't maybe do better with a yeller and screamer who's less intelligent than Dooley. Sometimes I think there's a disconnect there between him and the, ahem, non-Rhodes-Scholar-types on the team, leading him to expect too much, and them to be totally lost.
"Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat." Sir Robin's Minstrels.
I love my school just as much as anyone......and I love this football program. However, if we hired Petrino I would never donate another dollar or go to another game. Even if you guaranteed that we would win multiple SEC titles and a NC or two, it wouldn't change my mind. I don't want our leadership to sell the soul of OUR program AGAIN in the pursuit of wins.
Petrino is as low as a coach gets IMO. He quit on a team and couldn't even look the men in the locker room in the face to tell them. He is garbage.
If we don't keep CDD, Gundy or Strong would be the best we could hope for IMO. Gruden is about as likely as Cowher to come here......it isnt happening.
I'm fully aware of the mess Dooley stepped in. My question is do you really think he is moving us in the right direction? And are you serious I can't compare Charlie Strong to him simply because he hasn't coached in the same league and didn't inherit a mess? I guess I can't compare Chip Kelly, Bob Stoops, or any of the other coaches across the country that don't coach in the SEC to him either then.
Strong had success as a coordinator and Dooley has never been one : )
So help me GOD if we hire Petrino I'll send Dave Hart a very strongly worded letter letting him how displeased I am with his terrible decision.
I disagree that you can't compare them just because they haven't coached in the same "atmospheres". What qualifies as the same atmosphere that would make them comparable? Saban didn't inherit the same mess that Dooley did, so does that mean we can't objectively say that Saban would do a much better job than Dooley is doing? We can still objectively look at each coach's accomplishments (or in Dooley's case, lack thereof) and make some kind of judgment, right? Is it a perfect comparison? No. But can we draw some kind of conclusions from it? Absolutely.
And I don't think you realize that the situation Strong took over at Louisville was pretty rough. He's winning this year with a team full of sophomores. And last year he did it with freshmen. The roster he inherited was miserable, and he's building it back up. And he's not using the "youth and inexperience" argument that Dooley has leaned on his first two years. No one expected Dooley to win the SEC these first three years, but with the resources he has, and the talent he's recruited, it's not unreasonable to expect more wins out of this team. I'm done making excuses for him.
Again, I'm not saying that Strong would definitely do better than Dooley has done at UT or that he's definitely the guy we should go after, but based on what we've seen out of both, I'm struggling to find ANY evidence that on paper he's not a better coach.
I can't tell you Dooley is a better coach than Strong. You can't prove to me Strong is a better coach than Dooley or that he would have had more success than Dooley has had in this mess that he's inherited. Given that, and that IMO we need stability and not more coaching turnover, and given the financial ramifications of firing a coach due a large buyout while the AD is already losing $$, unless we hire a coach that is a proven winner at the SEC level or above then we are asking for more setbacks. We don't need more crapshoots. We need as close to a sure thing or we need to give Dooley another year.
And I am sure he will read your letter lol. He will hire who he thinks is best for the job. If Petrino so be it, I personally don't think he will but you never know. The word is Petrino is quote a "scumbag" how is this he did screw the Falcons over I agree with that, but besides that what else has he done. Oh yeah he had an affair with a younger woman lol, how many times do you think that happens in the world, the only difference he got caught only because he wrecked a motorcycle with her on it. As they say don't cast stones at glass houses because we all got something we have done in life we are not very proud of.
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