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Because you are only contributing to the problem and killing recruiting. Exactly what positively do you think your bitching and moaning is going to accomplish. Cooler heads are aware of the entire situation and will make decisions in the programs best interest. We just need to stop contributing to problem.
You forgot Aaron Douglas.
It would have been nice to have had Darren Myles, Janzen Jackson and Mike Edwards in the secondary now. I know Jackson may have left after last year anyhow.
The Spurrier example is right on.SC was a mess left by Holtz (an overrated windbag if ever there was one). The Fulmer finish and the Kiffin debacle left us in a mess. It took Spurrier a long time to change the culture, but he had the advantage of (a) his experience and reputation, and ( b) a fan base accustomed to mediocrity which was generous enough to give him the time he needed. Our losses this year are gut-wrenching, and, to a fan base with higher expectations, so very hard to take, but, if our coaches can keep this team together and finish strong, they deserve to keep working "the process" to bring us back to where we want to be.
Just an outsiders observation, but what you want in your program is consistency, not inconsistency. You have to give a coach 5 years to get his staff solidified and players for his system in place. You had a man of poor ethics running your program for a year and then ran out on you after he screwed things up for you (Kiffin.) You have a coach of very high character, with longevity, will earn high marks with high school coaches and gradually improve recruiting. You have an excellent team, with needs on defense. Give Dooley a year or two to get the defense straightened out and you will be back challenging in the East within a year or two.
+1 Great post! I wish more of our fans saw it this way, but I understand the frustrations too. I think we're playing better football than last year, but it seems like everyone we've played is playing much better than last year. Unfortunately, the next two teams are playing better too... Thanks for coming over and sharing the comments.
Someone hit him with a +1...i'm out of upvotes again.
1 Corinthians 16:13 Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
Please don't give in to the negativity. I really feel if we give it one more year that we will turn the corner. This is from a man who is being evaluated for cancer( I had a kidney removed for cancer 19 yrs ago). I plan to stick to this website and OUR Vols to the end. Throw a prayer my way if you can---it puts life in perspective. GO VOLS!
"Hour by hour I place my days in your hand, safe from the hands out to get me."
One of my favorites and has gotten me through some rough times.
I would tend to agree with you more, but I don't see any more than a few quality players signing with us each year. It takes more than that to move up in the college football world. Even Bill Battle signed Stanley Morgan! I also fail to see the players that we are getting, being coached up.
I am not on the "Fire Dooley" bandwagon, but I am becoming more and more discouraged as time goes forward. It is not so much the wins and losses, just the lack of obvious improvement.
Well golly guys, I sure hope our'n football team can win this game this weekend. Now I don't have an opinion on how they've played, because if'n I did it would be detrimental to 'crootin and I ain't got any power over whether Mister Dooley gets hahred or fahred anyway. I've found that in lahf if'n you don't have the power to change a situation it's basically best just to ignore it...mmhmm.
Am I doing it right?
Honestly I have no problem with people saying they feel Dooley needs more time, or that the situation was stacked against him. But this nonsense about anyone calling a spade a spade behaving in a negative or childish manner is incredibly stupid. I hope Dooley works out and they win every game the rest of the season, but it's more obnoxious to me to have all these people pretending like there isn't a problem, and that the fact that complaining on a message board isn't going to change anything. Well thanks for stating the obvious, but defending the guy on the message board isn't going to change anything either. The entire purpose of message boards is to discuss and debate whatever topic they happen to cover. On this one it's Tennessee football, and that means the good and the bad. You people acting like anyone who doesn't share your mentality is an idiot are just as bad as the guys typing in caps with broken English raging against the coach.
Good to have you home. I was thinking about you the other day. +1 for your service.
Thanks for the kind words and back at you. I will never stop cheering for my Vols and will continue to occasionally post. Who knows, I may change my mind. I've done that before.
A real Vol fan! There are many more like us. GBO..
VOLS 35 BAMA 31
Thanks, man! Good to be home!!!! Don't make me drive up to ATL and hold a horse hostage until you start posting again...
The hillbilly humor is kinda insulting. Please don't disrespect Southern Appalachia, or Wes might bring out the rue.
Why are so many people gonna stop posting because they don't agree with everyone. Kinda childish take my ball and go home. This site is lil too emotional.
Is that what they said, or are you just making that assumption?
Just seems like every thread is someone gonna stop posting. I just don't see why. This board is what I love about this site. Always something going on. Its great just hate to see people leave. I don't think anything personal just different views.
Think it may be due to disappointment in results vs. agreement with comments. We've agreed to disagree long before you got here, so I don't think that's anything new. Welcome to the board, by the way.
I don't know if it's exactly a productive discussion at times.
The "Fire Dooley" crowd seems to, for the most part, ignore the arguments about getting a 4th coach in 6 years, and the dire situation which Dooley inherited. They point to other programs who experienced instant or near-instant success. Heck, they point to how Tennessee is one of the greatest programs in college football history, and deserves better than 0-13 against ranked teams and only beating Vandy, Kentucky, and Ole Miss. All of these things are true.
The "Keep Dooley" or "Give Him Time" crowd, for the most part, divert attention from whatever in-game mistakes Dooley and the staff make, put spin on the fact 7 coaches left during the off-season, explain away defensive struggles by blaming the transition, like to bring up the player attrition, and also show stats from other now-successful coaches from their earlier days. Once again, all of these things are true.
I've seen quite a few personal attacks (rather specific or generally aimed), and no one likes that. I mean, that's something politicians do. And no one likes those guys, right?
For the record, I keep going back and forth. Emotions run high after a game for everyone. It's really easy to say "Fire Dooley." The statistics against him are bad. But when you listen to some voices near the program and even to outsider perspectives, it makes a fair amount of sense to give the guy a chance to implement what he's set out to do. Remember how when he met with Hamilton he had a binder outlining his goals for the program with specific deadlines and timetables? In the real world, sometimes those things get set back and you have to adjust on the fly. I believe we're experiencing that right now.
How many of you were fantastic at your job from day 1? Year 3? Year 5? I've worked with people who I thought were never going to make anything out of themselves, and seen them get better and get promotions once they were in the right situation with the right opportunity.
Perhaps Derek Dooley isn't done getting better as a football coach. Or maybe he is at his limit and needs to go. That's up to Dave Hart and the BOT to decide.
Do not take this personal man, but one reason is because of posts like this.
Yet again, do not take this personal.
"Kinda childish take my ball and go home". Whether it's true or not, it can be misconstrued as a personal shot at other members. And we, men, do not take well to personal shots. I guess you could say we are a little defensive, especially when our integrity, character, man-hood, intelligence, work ethic, etc. is questioned. Granted, no one, or at least I hope not, is trying to verbally attack anyone on a person level, but this is the internet. And in case you haven't noticed, keyboards can't show the emotion or emphasis behind a persons comments.
Also, it has a lot to do with members being hard headed (i'm one of them). Most of the "Fire Dooley" crowd will not acknowledge most facts of the past few years when speaking of recruiting, attrition, turnover, etc. On the flip side, the majority of the "Keep Dooley" crowd usually skims over the obvious coaching discrepancies that have happened in the recent losses (yet again, I'm one of them). And why is this the case ? Because if a poster from either camp admits one of the above issues, then they are giving the other poster a small victory. It's what we do. We're men. We don't like to lose.....ever. Whether it's a football game or a message board discussion.
Overall, I think the posts have been fair, barring a few that just completely ignore facts, one way or the other. But this is a message board. It's their opinion, and this is America. People can give their opinion.
How has everything I've posted in the past 2 days turned into a novel ? Geesh.
P.S. I didn't realize Baugamania basically said the same thing about the "Fire Dooley" and "Keep Dooley" crowd until I finished my post. And I agree with his assessment.
This post was edited by DownTheField 18 months ago
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