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Not a good comparison.
Considering Charlie Strong was a DC at Florida and won 2 National Championships, and also has Louisville playing good football, I think his resume speaks for itself.
1 Corinthians 16:13 Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
We are a good coach and two corner back recruits away from being pretty good. A good coach makes a lot of the juniors stay....probably not the big three but the d line probably should / could stay another year.
LBs get better next year with depth (and hopefully going back to a 4 3).
FWIW, USC went after Jack Del Rio, Mike Riley, Jeff Fisher, and Steve Sarkisian before finally having no choice but to call Kiffin. Where did you come up with the idea that coaches take jobs where they weren't the first choice?
I think stepping back and looking at that situtation makes the smart, rational fans realize what an amazing stabilization job Dooley did here. USC, a top 5 job, had to settle for their FIFTH choice, and all because of looming NCAA sanctions. Tennessee, not even in the same league as USC as far as job attractiveness, is now being mentioned with coaches such as Gruden, Stoops, Strong, FIsher, etc. when just 3 seasons ago we couldn't find a JUCO coach who wanted this job.
Care to rephrase that question? You might also reconsider the USC is a more premier job comment and also consider that the point of the post is not that a coach would not be interested in coming to Tennessee if he is not the first choice but that the fan expectations for any hire other than Gruden at this time will create problems for that coach.
You made the statement that coaches seldom take jobs where they weren't the first choice. That point was quickly disspelled.
And yes, I stand by USC being a more premier job than Tennessee, and only a true homer would disagree with that. A private school located in Los Angeles in one of the top-3 recruiting states in the country. 11 national championships. 473 NFL draft picks, 7 Heisman winners. Yes, USC is a better job than Tennessee. That's uh, why Lane Kiffin left.
And you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you're pinning your hopes on on ONE longshot coach. There are plenty of rational Vols fans (myself included) who realize there are other capable, competent coaches not named Jon Gruden.
Your reading comprehension is still lacking. I did not say I consider Gruden as someone I am pinning my hopes on. I merely pointed out that a coach not named Gruden would have to consider the meltdown by the fan base if he is the one who accepts the job after we don't get Gruden. I give the Gruden possibility a 50/50 chance at the absolute best and I for one don't know if he can have the same success in college ball that he had in the Pro's. I am willing to take advantage of the excitement he would generate with the hope he would be successful. If you want to label me a homer for considering UT every bit the elite program that USC is as a coaching destination then have at it. As for you using Kiffin leaving as an example of how elite they are that's like saying a cockroach left a 'Raid' plant.
As long as Gruden doesn't go to Arkansas over us I think the fans will give anyone we hire a good chance. I mean they embraced Dooley and his resume was far worse than anyone on our list right now. I think the only way this goes down in a catastrophic manner is if we do lose Gruden to Arkansas, he's hugely successful, and our guy isn't. At that point all bets are off, and we will really see what apathy looks like.
Lot's of possibilities where Gruden is concerned and not all of them are good. It will be interesting at the very least.
This post was edited by tnbear66 17 months ago
We had to give Dooley a chance. We had no choice. Everyone else said no. Our fan base was (and some still are) about how bad of a job we were at the time. You can't be rebel against the only guy who wanted the job.
That's Gold, 24k
You're basically trying to speak for the entire Tennessee fan base when you say that any coach we hire not named Gruden wouldn't be embraced. I wholeheartedly disagree.
I'm not against the Gruden hire, but I'm not in fantasy land either. I'll support whoever the next UT coach is until he gives me a reason not to.
It's like you're saying since the homecoming queen turned me down to the dance I'd be miserable if I ended up going with the runner-up.
I also stand by the statement that USC was and is a better job than Tennessee, that's why Lane Kiffin left. I also stand by saying that Derek Dooley did a great stabilization job at Tennessee. The fact that Stoops and Gruden being linked to here is a testament of his 3 years here.
We're fans of the same team, we just disagree.
Personally I would be extremely excited about Charlie Strong or someone like Larry Fedora here.....as long as Gruden isn't at Arkansas.
JCJ, I recognize you are a new poster and not familiar with others here. Bear would not attempt to speak for the entire fan base. I disagree with him on Gruden, because he is more cautious about hiring him than I am. I think your putting words in his mouth with saying what you are, or at least taking it way wrong.
We don't disagree on everything. I'm not in fantasy land either as my previous post indicated. I will also embrace whoever the coach is with the exception of Petrino since he has, in my mind, already given me a reason not to. I didn't like the Dooley hire when it happened but I supported him to the bitter end which you should know if you have read many of my posts prior to the Missouri game. That was the end for me. As for the homecoming queen analogy it works to the point you add disappointed fans and the entire dynamic changes. However, it's obvious you are a passionate and thinking(most of the time) fan so GoVols!
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