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Personally i voted no because even if he wins out we have not beat a top 20 team. We would have beat people we should have except for Kentucky. If we fired Fulmer with his record i dont think we can keep Dooley with his record. Not mad at ones that voted to keep him i just see it differently. But im no less a fan than any other. I may not ne a big donor but i love my Vols win or lose and will till the day i die. We can still be fans and get along and not totally agree on everything.
I already stated that if he wins out, I don't have a problem with him coming back. The people who don't want him back today, I suspect could believe that he should be gone even if he wins out (they don't want to see UT lose a game), because they just don't think bringing him back, 7 or 8 wins or not, is good for the program, and many of them have listed several coaches over the last few weeks they believe are better coaches and more qualified to lead UT back to elite status. You may disagree but that doesn't make you "rational" and them the opposite. It just makes you in love with your own opinion. That's not abnormal. Most of us are in love with what we think.
For instance, my opinion, which is totally rational, is that you "should" only bring Dooley back if you're willing to make sure he goes into the homestretch of recruiting with four years left on his contract and can give a statement of support to him and assure recruits and their parents that he's your coach long-term unless he falls off a motorcycle into a ditch with his girlfriend/assistant. Right now Dooley only has three years left on his contract, a bunch of SEC losses, a loss to Kentucky, the perception that he can't take less talent (as the better coaches have been known to do) and win a game he shouldn't, a questionable D-coordinator, a lackluster resume, and an AD who hasn't been willing to throw Dooley verbal support. I don't think going 7-5 will get him an extension and I didn't in June. If that's what it takes for an extension and he reaches that mark, well bring him back. I have nothing to say about it, because it gives him a chance, even if I believe he won't succeed, of moving the program forward. Once again, although I don't think you "should" bring him back without an extension and a real opportunity to move the program forward, I understand if you bring him back with 7 wins.
Now if he goes 8-5 with a bowl game win against good competition, that might get him an extension and vote of confidence, a chance at a better recruiting class and some momentum going into next year, among other things. However, the situation is more complicated than 7-5 he comes back. He should only come back with an absolute opportunity to move the program forward and 7-5 alone doesn't make that happen. He needs an extension, IMO probably needs a new D-coordinator (which means you have to pay Sal a buyout), is there a D-coordinator out there that is willing to coach under Dooley, and who is he going to lose on offense to the draft and expired eligibility all have to be considered.
Also 7 wins is only an improvement over 5 if you believe that quantity of wins is the only thing to be considered. You have to view his record last year through the lens of the Kentucky loss. Beating Kentucky this year isn't going to be perceived as an improvement. Additionally one could argue, at 7 wins, that the only thing that improved was the schedule since we dropped Arkansas and added Missouri. There are alot of different ways to look at this and yours isn't the only rational view.
This post was edited by DCVolunteer 17 months ago
I would like to know how much emphasis Hart had on Sal being hired, if it was all Dooley then good-bye, if Hart had some part in the hire, then I would not! He would have to understand that new coaches had to be hired on the D SIDE, starting at the Top. maybe keep Sal as a position coach depending on his buyout.
No. How long does Tennessee want to continue to play subpar football??
We really don't disagree here at all. If I have upset you, I am sorry. I certainly did not mean to imply anything you said was irrational. I am just truly weary of these constant threads on Dooley's future. I am perfectly willing to have Hart decide it, at the proper time. If it is after a loss before season's end, fine. If it is at season's end, also fine.
The only outcome I couldn't possibly stomach would be for Tennessee to hire the likes of Bobby Petrino, who lacks class and a moral compass.
+1 to Rockytop and DCV for a rational discussion. I think Rockytop was a little misunderstood. It would be totally out of character for him to bash other UT fans. I could see how his post may have been construed as such but if you look at his reputation as a first quality poster you know that wasn't his intent. Everyone is a little on edge these days. GO VOLS!
BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!
I agree we probably don't disagree on our wait and see position and I am not offended. No need to apologize. I just hate the way the should Dooley go or stay issue is being used to label some fans postive and others negative when all fans want to see the program prosper. People just differ on whether Dooley is the one that can make that happen.
late but yes
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