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Just a little perspective...

  • tntoak said... (original post)

    I'm not an Eskimo - in fact, I grew up in Chattanooga...

    Sorry. It was mainly a joke.

  • Great post Toak! +2 Stay warm!!

  • gr82btnvol said... (original post)

    Great post Toak! +2 Stay warm!!

    It's warmed up from a high of 12 degrees on Monday to a high of 36 today (normal high this time of year is in the mid-20s) so it's "warm" by local standards. I've actually seen locals out wearing shorts and t-shirts today. I think every single one of them are crazy as hell, but that's another story...

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  • Thanks for the great read my friend. +1

  • tntoak said... (original post)

    It's warmed up from a high of 12 degrees on Monday to a high of 36 today (normal high this time of year is in the mid-20s) so it's "warm" by local standards. I've actually seen locals out wearing shorts and t-shirts today. I think every single one of them are crazy as hell, but that's another story...

    There is no way in he**! I am such a big baby when it comes to being cold. It's not anywhere near that cold in TN and it's too cold for me. I hate winter!! I love Alaska but I couldn't handle fall or winter there! Hopefully you'll get back to TN soon!

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  • tntoak said... (original post)

    This will probably get lost among all the coaching talk and everything else that is offseason football, but something in another thread made me want to say this.

    I have been a UT fan as long as I can remember. I have been aware of the Vols since birth, but the point at which I actually started paying attention to the team was the 1985 Sugar Bowl against Miami. That night seemed magical at the time, and still brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.

    I have seen this program go through a lot of highs and a lot of lows over the years. I remember when Alabama was THE "make or break" game each year, and I can remember David Palmer scoring a TD as time expired to win the game for the Tide on a sweep to the right side of the field. I remember when Fulmer became the HC and the furor from the most vocal of Johnny Majors' supporters. I remember how Florida suddenly became the big rivalry game when the SEC moved to the divisional format and Steve Spurrier took over in Gainesville. I remember listening to John Ward call games on the radio when they weren't televised (back when only a handful of games were ever on TV), and there has never been anyone that can even come close to his abilities in the booth.

    When UT played Mississippi State in the SECG in 1998, I was actually watching the game in a Ruby Tuesday (a chain started by UT grads) across the street from Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe (where the Fiesta Bowl would be played three weeks later). At the moment the final whistle sounded, I looked across the street at the stadium and knew UT would win the championship. I can't explain it, but there was something perfect about being in that place at that time. While I would have loved to have attended the game, just being there the night of the SECG was fulfilling in its own right.

    I have enjoyed watching a lot of talented and gifted players over the years - Peyton Manning, Jay Graham, James "Little Man" Stewart, Travis Henry, Jayson Swain, Jason Witten, Chuck Webb, Carl Perkins, Scott Galyon, Shane Bonham, Tee Martin, and the list goes on. I have also seen some major lows in the program - the 1988 season where all seemed lost after six games, the phone card scandal, the loss to Wyoming and firing of Coach Fulmer, Lane Kiffin - you get the point.

    As bad as things seem right now, given the sting of the loss to UK, questions surrounding the coaching staff and attitudes of the players, and the overall attitude of the fan base, it's important to recognize that this is still Tennessee. This program has a history of following a period of turmoil and/or uncertainty with great success. When the Vols last lost a game to UK, they beat Miami in the Sugar Bowl the following year. They followed up the disappointing loss to Nebraska in the 1997 Orange Bowl with an unexpected run to the national championship where they defeated Florida State in the first ever BCS title game.

    The last four years have been rough for UT students, athletes, faculty, and staff, not to mention the fans. The problems that Dooley faced when taking over as Head Coach weren't the type of things that can be fixed in 2 years, yet a lot of "fans" seem to think that a coach like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer could have turned around the program in one year. Other than SMU coming back from the "death penalty", this has been the most complicated and rebuilding process I can ever recall in major college football. Whether it's the lack of depth and experience, bad luck on the injury front, or flat out strange endings to games, UT fans have seen just about everything in the last three seasons.

    Whether Dooley is here or not in 3 years, he will have left this program in a much better place than he found it. You can already see improvements in aspects not directly related to on the field performance, and the VFL program is a key component of this change. Unlike a lot of FBS coaches, Dooley cares about more than just the stats. You can see that in the way he handled the Janzen Jackson situation, and the way he's promoted VFL to recruits. The number of player incidents has plummeted over the last two years, and that helps because you aren't suspending key players because of dumb decisions they made.

    Tennessee will rebuild, and the program will be stronger in the long run because of it. Dave Hart will be an outstanding AD, and he will work with the coaches of all sports to make sure they have all the tools they need to be successful. As Dooley closes the 2012 recruiting class and more of the Fulmer/Kiffin classes graduate or finish their eligibility, you will begin to see this team take on a different persona. 2010 and 2011 have been the foundation, now we begin to see what the actual building will look like.

    All I can say is, Thank You! I'm so glad I'm not the only one jumping ship bc things are rough in Knoxville. EVERYONE knew this would be, at the very least, a 3 yr rebuilding process. And of all the coaches interviewed for the job, none wanted it bc they all knew this. Dooley knew this and accepted it and took the job. Now after only 2 seasons, everyone is expecting the world. We have a few bright spots early in the season, and everyone is thinking SEC championship game. Then injuries happen to the 2 best players on the team, one thing leads to another and now we're here. I just wish everyone would relax and give DD a fair shot w/o all the drama and injuries to key players and see what he can do. Even if he goes 4-8 next season, he'll always have my respect for not being scared of what he was walking into. Go Vols!!!!!

  • tntoak said... (original post)

    This will probably get lost among all the coaching talk and everything else that is offseason football, but something in another thread made me want to say this.

    I have been a UT fan as long as I can remember. I have been aware of the Vols since birth, but the point at which I actually started paying attention to the team was the 1985 Sugar Bowl against Miami. That night seemed magical at the time, and still brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.

    I have seen this program go through a lot of highs and a lot of lows over the years. I remember when Alabama was THE "make or break" game each year, and I can remember David Palmer scoring a TD as time expired to win the game for the Tide on a sweep to the right side of the field. I remember when Fulmer became the HC and the furor from the most vocal of Johnny Majors' supporters. I remember how Florida suddenly became the big rivalry game when the SEC moved to the divisional format and Steve Spurrier took over in Gainesville. I remember listening to John Ward call games on the radio when they weren't televised (back when only a handful of games were ever on TV), and there has never been anyone that can even come close to his abilities in the booth.

    When UT played Mississippi State in the SECG in 1998, I was actually watching the game in a Ruby Tuesday (a chain started by UT grads) across the street from Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe (where the Fiesta Bowl would be played three weeks later). At the moment the final whistle sounded, I looked across the street at the stadium and knew UT would win the championship. I can't explain it, but there was something perfect about being in that place at that time. While I would have loved to have attended the game, just being there the night of the SECG was fulfilling in its own right.

    I have enjoyed watching a lot of talented and gifted players over the years - Peyton Manning, Jay Graham, James "Little Man" Stewart, Travis Henry, Jayson Swain, Jason Witten, Chuck Webb, Carl Perkins, Scott Galyon, Shane Bonham, Tee Martin, and the list goes on. I have also seen some major lows in the program - the 1988 season where all seemed lost after six games, the phone card scandal, the loss to Wyoming and firing of Coach Fulmer, Lane Kiffin - you get the point.

    As bad as things seem right now, given the sting of the loss to UK, questions surrounding the coaching staff and attitudes of the players, and the overall attitude of the fan base, it's important to recognize that this is still Tennessee. This program has a history of following a period of turmoil and/or uncertainty with great success. When the Vols last lost a game to UK, they beat Miami in the Sugar Bowl the following year. They followed up the disappointing loss to Nebraska in the 1997 Orange Bowl with an unexpected run to the national championship where they defeated Florida State in the first ever BCS title game.

    The last four years have been rough for UT students, athletes, faculty, and staff, not to mention the fans. The problems that Dooley faced when taking over as Head Coach weren't the type of things that can be fixed in 2 years, yet a lot of "fans" seem to think that a coach like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer could have turned around the program in one year. Other than SMU coming back from the "death penalty", this has been the most complicated and rebuilding process I can ever recall in major college football. Whether it's the lack of depth and experience, bad luck on the injury front, or flat out strange endings to games, UT fans have seen just about everything in the last three seasons.

    Whether Dooley is here or not in 3 years, he will have left this program in a much better place than he found it. You can already see improvements in aspects not directly related to on the field performance, and the VFL program is a key component of this change. Unlike a lot of FBS coaches, Dooley cares about more than just the stats. You can see that in the way he handled the Janzen Jackson situation, and the way he's promoted VFL to recruits. The number of player incidents has plummeted over the last two years, and that helps because you aren't suspending key players because of dumb decisions they made.

    Tennessee will rebuild, and the program will be stronger in the long run because of it. Dave Hart will be an outstanding AD, and he will work with the coaches of all sports to make sure they have all the tools they need to be successful. As Dooley closes the 2012 recruiting class and more of the Fulmer/Kiffin classes graduate or finish their eligibility, you will begin to see this team take on a different persona. 2010 and 2011 have been the foundation, now we begin to see what the actual building will look like.

    read this post again - it is a GREAT post , thanks tntoak toot

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  • shoeless7777 said... (original post)

    read this post again - it is a GREAT post , thanks tntoak toot

    +1 shoeless for bringing this post/thread back up - definitely a good read (again) and our new friends that recently joined definitely need to see it! Thanks!

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  • tntoak

    That was a great fricking post. Thanks for taking the time to post it.
    +1 upvote to ya buddy.........

    GBO

  • I'm honestly surprised that someone dug this post back up. That being said, it's amazing just how well it has held up, especially given the coaching and recruiting turmoil between then and now. The main reason I wrote it was to combat a lot of the negativity that was starting to crop up everywhere within the Vol fan base. Rereading it I'm surprised I was that coherent at the time too...

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  • tntoak said... (original post)

    This will probably get lost among all the coaching talk and everything else that is offseason football, but something in another thread made me want to say this.

    I have been a UT fan as long as I can remember. I have been aware of the Vols since birth, but the point at which I actually started paying attention to the team was the 1985 Sugar Bowl against Miami. That night seemed magical at the time, and still brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.

    I have seen this program go through a lot of highs and a lot of lows over the years. I remember when Alabama was THE "make or break" game each year, and I can remember David Palmer scoring a TD as time expired to win the game for the Tide on a sweep to the right side of the field. I remember when Fulmer became the HC and the furor from the most vocal of Johnny Majors' supporters. I remember how Florida suddenly became the big rivalry game when the SEC moved to the divisional format and Steve Spurrier took over in Gainesville. I remember listening to John Ward call games on the radio when they weren't televised (back when only a handful of games were ever on TV), and there has never been anyone that can even come close to his abilities in the booth.

    When UT played Mississippi State in the SECG in 1998, I was actually watching the game in a Ruby Tuesday (a chain started by UT grads) across the street from Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe (where the Fiesta Bowl would be played three weeks later). At the moment the final whistle sounded, I looked across the street at the stadium and knew UT would win the championship. I can't explain it, but there was something perfect about being in that place at that time. While I would have loved to have attended the game, just being there the night of the SECG was fulfilling in its own right.

    I have enjoyed watching a lot of talented and gifted players over the years - Peyton Manning, Jay Graham, James "Little Man" Stewart, Travis Henry, Jayson Swain, Jason Witten, Chuck Webb, Carl Perkins, Scott Galyon, Shane Bonham, Tee Martin, and the list goes on. I have also seen some major lows in the program - the 1988 season where all seemed lost after six games, the phone card scandal, the loss to Wyoming and firing of Coach Fulmer, Lane Kiffin - you get the point.

    As bad as things seem right now, given the sting of the loss to UK, questions surrounding the coaching staff and attitudes of the players, and the overall attitude of the fan base, it's important to recognize that this is still Tennessee. This program has a history of following a period of turmoil and/or uncertainty with great success. When the Vols last lost a game to UK, they beat Miami in the Sugar Bowl the following year. They followed up the disappointing loss to Nebraska in the 1997 Orange Bowl with an unexpected run to the national championship where they defeated Florida State in the first ever BCS title game.

    The last four years have been rough for UT students, athletes, faculty, and staff, not to mention the fans. The problems that Dooley faced when taking over as Head Coach weren't the type of things that can be fixed in 2 years, yet a lot of "fans" seem to think that a coach like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer could have turned around the program in one year. Other than SMU coming back from the "death penalty", this has been the most complicated and rebuilding process I can ever recall in major college football. Whether it's the lack of depth and experience, bad luck on the injury front, or flat out strange endings to games, UT fans have seen just about everything in the last three seasons.

    Whether Dooley is here or not in 3 years, he will have left this program in a much better place than he found it. You can already see improvements in aspects not directly related to on the field performance, and the VFL program is a key component of this change. Unlike a lot of FBS coaches, Dooley cares about more than just the stats. You can see that in the way he handled the Janzen Jackson situation, and the way he's promoted VFL to recruits. The number of player incidents has plummeted over the last two years, and that helps because you aren't suspending key players because of dumb decisions they made.

    Tennessee will rebuild, and the program will be stronger in the long run because of it. Dave Hart will be an outstanding AD, and he will work with the coaches of all sports to make sure they have all the tools they need to be successful. As Dooley closes the 2012 recruiting class and more of the Fulmer/Kiffin classes graduate or finish their eligibility, you will begin to see this team take on a different persona. 2010 and 2011 have been the foundation, now we begin to see what the actual building will look like.

    Absolutly best post I've seen on here!I'm right there with ya!I'm 39 and can remember the 85 sugar bowl was the first game I really watched.After that game I was hooked!Love this University too much at times I've been told.It's true Dooley has walked into the biggest mess I can ever remember tennessee being in.The program is definatly 100% better than when he got here.He has made 3 great hires.For the first time in awhile I'm excited about the future!

  • Glad this post got bumped back up. It may be the best post I've read on this site and needs to be read by all. I can remember all those moments like they were yesterday!

    "Never take for granted what it means to be a Volunteer." Peyton Manning

  • This post could have been written six or seven years ago by a Bammer. Look at where they are now.

    Good things are coming. I've been to the bottom before with the Vols, and at the top. Living the hard times makes the good times that much better.

    Well played, tntoak. You began your journey with the Vols at the 86 Sugar Bowl; I was in the pressbox that night and it swept away all the down years of the Battle/Majors do-over.

  • Probably the best post I have read on here. Championships are not inherited, they are earned. And every year 120 schools are vying for it but only one can win it. Go ask the fine folks at Nebraska, Michigan, UCLA, Colorado, Washington, ND... when did any of these tradition-rich schools win anything meaningful? I am sure the list is longer than that. It is a bitter pill to swallow when the dreams of each season end and the reality sets in. Only one school comes away happy each year. Be proud of our tradition. Be PROUD of the fact that CDD has this team off the police blotter (for the most part), be proud of the VFL program as it shows this is about more than a game. Be proud to be a Vol and enjoy the momentum that both football and basketball have right now. Two weeks ago who'da thunk it?

  • jaxjeff said... (original post)

    Probably the best post I have read on here. Championships are not inherited, they are earned. And every year 120 schools are vying for it but only one can win it. Go ask the fine folks at Nebraska, Michigan, UCLA, Colorado, Washington, ND... when did any of these tradition-rich schools win anything meaningful? I am sure the list is longer than that. It is a bitter pill to swallow when the dreams of each season end and the reality sets in. Only one school comes away happy each year. Be proud of our tradition. Be PROUD of the fact that CDD has this team off the police blotter (for the most part), be proud of the VFL program as it shows this is about more than a game. Be proud to be a Vol and enjoy the momentum that both football and basketball have right now. Two weeks ago who'da thunk it?

    great post jaxjeff and totally agree with you - love the OP post as well and i think it speaks volumes about what we should all remember about being a UT fan over the years . Coach has this program going in the right direction and i really like all three of his new hires with more to come .

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  • Really great post tntoak! I wish more Vol fans would hold this perspective as we continue this transition. I think we'll turn the corner this year and see some better results on the field, 7 or 8 wins, which will help with perspective.

    I was a sophomore at UT when we won the '85 Sugar Bowl and we road tripped to the game. It is still one of the Top 5 experiences of my life. Like you, I smile when I think of that game, how incredible it was, the amazing time we had in the Superdome and on Bourbon Street (too amazing for our own good).

    This too shall pass and we'll be back to what we expect at Tennessee in the next couple of years, I believe. Until then, it requires some patience and trust that Dooley can lead us back there.

    This post was edited by NashvilleVol87 2 years ago

  • UTLyle

    +1 Great post sir.

    Dooley said it in his introductory press conference: Tennessee will always be Tennessee. Tennessee has a tradition of winning, and will win long after he is gone. I support CDD et al as they rebuild our storied program. CWM at Florida told Hammy when interviewed that the UT job was a 3 year rebuilding process "at least."

    I remember the '85 Sugar Bowl, Johnnie Jones' 61 yard run in '83, the victory over The Bear in '82, the '84 loss to UK, Peyton to Kent in '95, and a ton of other games over the last few decades. All programs have their ups and downs, and I'm hoping UT is climbing its way back up to the top WHERE WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND WHERE WE BELONG.

    Let's hope CDD keeps the momentum going, closes out the 2012 recruiting class strong, and the team begins Spring Practice with the right winning attitude and work ethic.

    GO VOLS!! VFL!!

    GO VOLS!! VFL!!