In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 453
Online now 1271 Record: 6475 (12/7/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Honestly. Anyone who is a fan of this program at this point is not a bandwagon fan. This team has been incredibly frustrating to support since the tail end of the Fulmer era. It's been one let down after the other, on and off the field, and that certainly includes Tyler Bray. Would it be nice if everything was rainbows and lollipops from all the fans every every game? Sure. But this is the ONE way we fans have to show our displeasure to the administration. We either support the team and show positivity toward the direction the program is headed, or we don't. Even the most rabid, loyal Vol fan has to have major questions about the current status of our football program and that doesn't mean we're not loyal and supportive.
It's really sad that the people who understand what Tennessee football stands for and what it's all about(former players, lifelong fans, etc), are being drowned out by this sheepish mass of relativists who seem to think progress is an accomplishment in and of itself. Those players and coaches inside that building need to know that losing to Mississippi State is not okay. They need to realize that playing hard for 60 minutes is not an achievement, it's just what you're expected to do here. The bar has been lowered so far that it is almost painful to take an honest look at where this program is at. People need to remember who and what Tennessee football is, and stop making excuses for those who accept mediocrity.
Let's be brutally honest. That Mississippi State team that just beat us by two scores isn't more talented than we are. They aren't bigger, or stronger, or faster. They are better coached, more disciplined, and they didn't make stupid mistakes. Losing to a team like that should never be acceptable here, and it's our duty as fans to make that abundantly clear.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JPSke 18 months ago
Ummm for the last 5 yrs both State and Tennessee's program have been the same ,and both have recruited around the same area as far as rankings.The last 3 yrs State's program has been far and away better than Tennesssee's,only ones that are shocked by last nights game are the homers.
On target. All of us are judged on results not on effort. CDD knows this and is aware his tenure may be brief. Bray is as immature today as the day he bottle-bombed a car from the balconey. This 8 year slow velocity train wreck is starting to show on everyone old enough to remember when UT was a strong program. Maybe we are headed the way of Minnesota. Natl Champs in the 30s and a doormat today. A few more years of 1-7 or 2-6 in the league will nail it shut on thousands of season ticket holders.
You are 1,000% right.
It's hard to believe how far this program has fallen.
It's unacceptable and changes need to happen.
Bray can only see within his scope of time.
He doesn't really understand these frustrations started in 2008.
Since the beginning of 2008, this program is 26-30. The only winning season was under Kiffin.
The program is 11-24 in the SEC since 2008. And 4-15 under Dooley.
Bray doesn't understand that this suffering goes back much farther than he can fathom.
I agree 100%, but I feel bad fir the team as a whole. Very few if them even understand our frustrations.
I'm not sure what your issue is with the OP. I believe you just confirmed the point OP was making. We have recruited similarly, and yet you guys have been better. It has to be on the coaching. But that still doesn't make us feel ok about losing to you. It's still unacceptable.
Actually, no, it really doesn't. Bray was a recruit during the 2009 season, so there's maybe one year of UT's recent struggles that are foreign to him. It's not like it's been going on for decades.
Staff writer for govols247 — http://www.twitter.com/RyanCallahan247 — firstname.lastname@example.org
I understand what you're saying. And yes, we have struggled through a year or two, depending on the player, more of frustrating football than the players have endured.
But, those players were the ones on the field the past couple of years getting the snot kicked out of them by Bama, UGA, USCe, and UF. Do you think they're not frustrated ? They have only 4 years, at most, to put their stamp on this program. We will still be fans, or at least most of us, when UT football gets back to national prominence. A lot of those players will not be on the field to share in the glory.
1 Corinthians 16:13 Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
Bray didn't seem too frustrated in his post game interview.
Those stats are painful. It has gotten out of hand.
I was just speaking in generalities. I haven't had the chance to watch any pressers.
It is not acceptable for Mississippi State to lose to Tennessee at this stage. MSU's program is better now. Quit living in the past.
How is it living in the past by saying it's unacceptable for UT to lose to Mississippi State? It is unacceptable. Just because we aren't as good as we used to be doesn't mean we abandon our standards. The point is we don't think this coaching staff is getting it done.
Miami, Fla. had standards too. But now that's over. Saying Tennessee shouldn't lose to a team like Mississippi State is down right insulting. Most MSU fans were expecting to win that game and would have been quite disappointed to lose. Most people don't look at Tennessee they way they used to. I think you have a good team and have lost to three pretty good teams, two of them on the road. Give MSU credit. Their program is much more than it used to be. Things change.
How often has MSU beaten a SEC team with over .500 in league play? MSU isn't that great.
I hear you, and it's certainly your right to feel the way you do. But Mississippi State came into the game ranked No. 19 nationally, while Tennessee was unranked. State was unbeaten, and UT was 3-2. Because of those factors and others, Vegas made MSU a three-point favorite.
All of those things would lead you to believe the Bulldogs had a very good chance to win the game. So, if that's the case, how is it unacceptable or inexcusable for the Vols to lose that game?
I'm not saying that, in the long run, Tennessee shouldn't expect to have a program that's among the SEC's best. But in this specific instance, just looking at it as a single game, it doesn't seem to me that the word "unacceptable" really applies.
But that's just my opinion.
This post was edited by Ryan Callahan 18 months ago
Mississippi State very possibly could end up going 9-3 or 10-2 this year. If that happens, how many UT fans really will look back at this game and say the Vols absolutely were the better team and should have won?
MSU was a better team yesterday. I'm not going to deny that. But I'm no going to look at a MSU team that doesn't have quality wins over teams .500 in league play as a great 10-2 team. Tennessee has some issues that need to be addressed.
I'm not saying MSU doesn't have a good team. They are good, but they're not great. Let me quantify it. MSU was a 3 point favorite over UT at home. The line for the Alabama game next week at Neyland just opened at 18.5. I expect to lose to Bama...they're heavily favored. With the offense UT has, and 2 weeks to prepare - even as atrocious as our defense is - I would expect us to get enough stops to win. It wasn't unrealistic...I think most that watched that game would agree it came down to the end. It's not like MSU exactly outclassed UT. Sure, things change. I'm not saying UT should be competing for national titles, or SEC titles, or even the SEC east. My expectations aren't crazy. There's not a huge talent difference in these teams. I think you could probably see that.
MSU has a good team...for MSU. But they aren't an SEC contender, and that roster is no better than a middle of the pack SEC roster. It shouldn't be an upset for us to beat any team in the middle of the pack in this league, and right now we are routinely getting handled with relative ease by them. This team should, at worst, be in the four to five range in this league, and right now we're hanging out around eight or nine.
Well, respectfully, I disagree with your apparent thesis that anyone who disapproves of going after the players on forums or message boards or twitter, and anyone who thinks it wrong to express your displeasure publicly, loudly airing the program's dirty laundry for everybody else to see, must be "happy with the direction this program is headed."
Some of us just believe in taking the long view, and in being more deliberate, considered, and circumspect. I might have agreed with you when I was 20, or heck, even 30, but then life, i.e., reality happened, and I got a little more realistic.
Along the way, one other thing I learned: all the angry people in the world who take to the internet or rock on campus with angry whine in hand, ready to tell anyone who'll listen just what they deem "accpeptable," or to do the same on sportstalk radio, don't collectively carry the weight that just about 5 of the high roller donor$ each do. Money talks, and bovine $catology walks. If enough individual donors (quietly and privately, behind closed doors) don't just threaten, but realistically promise, to cut off the money flow, THAT will speak 100 times louder than the verbal displeasure of the average fan.
Message board chatter? To those in the ivory UT tower, it's just the cacophony of the unwashed masses, in their view.
"Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat." Sir Robin's Minstrels.
I will. That was a winnable game and we let it get away. It wasn't pretty but we had a chance to win and we didn't take advantage of it.
Of course. But the same sort of thing holds true for our political process and our consumer driven market as well. One person makes very little difference, and it takes someone with more influence to have a real impact. But that doesn't mean we the little people need to stop caring about any of it, our football team, our government, or the marketplace.
Just because you writing a bad review for a product on Amazon isn't going to have a major impact on that company's bottom line it doesn't mean you shouldn't do so. Similarly, the fact that us "whining" here isn't ultimately going to decide Dooley's fate doesn't mean we don't have a right to voice it, or that some value isn't to be had by sharing those opinions with one another.
Negativity in and of itself is usually an indicator of something, and if a potential recruit comes here and sees a lot of it it's probably because there is a larger problem at hand. In this situation that is definitely the case.
Will it be for there schedule to go 9-3 or are they a good team what i seen its schedule they should have murdered tennessee in the first half
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports