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I was in the car yesterday around 5:00 Pm and Bill King was on the radio bc of the ncaa tourney..... He had a caller ask him why Illinois can't find a quality coach that wants to come there....
When Bill King was answering the question, he compared the Illinois Bball job and their current search to the UT job and the search that resulted in Dooley being hired.... He also said Dooley only got hired bc of his last name and bc he has a good agent.....
I kind of understand what he was saying, but i don't understand how you can compare UT football to Illinois Bball... Illinois bball isn't a top 25 job or brand.... Illinois bball is also probably the #6 brand in the big 10 (MSU, OSU, Wisco, Purdue, Indiana)......
I know Tennessee has been down in football, but historically UT football is a top 10 brand nationally and is the #2 brand in the SEC historically....
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?????
I wouldn't look to much into it. Everyone has their own opinion and all of them will not be logical. I agree with you btw. There is no comparison even though we have been down, maybe he was talking about both programs being down right now. We are historically a much better program than Illinois bball.
yeah, i understand that we will have a lot of critics, and I'm okay with that.... We are a big boy program, and people are going to insult us while we are down..... Tennessee can take care of itself and people shouldn't feel sorry for us....But that comparison is absurd in my opinion, but i can at least understand what he is saying....
My main problem with his comment is the cheap shot about dooley....
#1 i think his intent was to be insulting and was a deliberate cheap shot.... The caller asked him about Illinois Bball, not why Dooley got hired....
#2 Tennessee hired Dooley less then two weeks before signing day, consequently UT did not have a lot of options.... Illinois fired Webber before the NCAA Tourney and has had all the time in the world to find and interview replacement candidates.... Completely different situations....
I agree that King is entitled to his opinion, and if he wanted to compare both schools and programs, that's fine.... But the only reason he made the comment about dooley's name and agent (i'm not even sure if dooley has an agent), was to insult dooley and tennessee..... The funny thing is, i listen to his show every day and enjoy it, but i thought that comment was unessescary and deliberately insulting.....
I heard it too and while I wasn't crazy about the comparison, he did stress that it was apples and oranges. I believe he even mentioned that historically UT was a top 10 program. I think the point he was trying (somewhat feebly) to make is that sometimes a program/coaching job gets labeled as being a tough gig and schools have a hard time attracting candidates. Hard to argue that wasn't true about UT at the time of Dooley's hiring. I think that whether Dooley survives or not, he's going to leave the program in infinitely better shape than it was when he got here.
+1.....I agree with you on those points, i just did not like the dooley comment.... It was in poor taste, IMO.....
The Dooley comment was uncalled for and I agree with your points. Great conversation.
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I agree. It ticked me off too. I think point #2 in your post above is spot on.
Well, this won't be a popular post but there are many in the media who agree with King. And let's face it, if his name was Ralph Faust (my junior high school coach) instead of Derek Dooley what qualifications would he have had to move from Louisiana Tech to the "#2 brand in the SEC historically"?
That's not to say he won't win and have a great career, but I've always thought his name, lineage and connections helped him get this job.
You're right. King was comparing oranges to grapefruit. Looney Tunes, IMO.
have to agree with you T and i think in some respects the jury is still out especially with all the assist coaches leaving last year ; no doubt that
coach has done a great job of upgrading the talent and really done a remarkable job of keeping all the off field incidents to a minimum but he has to start beating some of these teams in the SEC
I agree. I still think this can work, because his junior class is as good or better than most of the teams he will play in the SEC
Beat Florida to get the year started and it could be avreay special year ESP w all our off weapons this year
Interesting discussion, but I don't think Illinois basketball is comparable to Tennessee football, for many of the reasons you gave. They haven't won a national title, they are not one of the top two or three teams historically in their conference, etc.
As to Tennessee's place in history, if you look at our total 100 plus year record, it is a no brainer that we are one of the top 10 programs of all time. We are in the top 10 in games won, 10 win seasons, NFL players produced, bowls played, etc. We are ridiculously consistent, even in down years. Ohio State is the only other program never to have had an eight loss season. We have only four official 7 loss seasons, though painfully three of them are in the last four years. We have two consensus national championships and claim parts of six overall (the others are from that goofy era when multiple polls were considered credible and champs were declared before the bowl games). We are second only to Bama in SEC titles won and we are the last team to win back to back SEC titles. Any way you slice it, we are historically excellent.
But we have to fight to stay there, because I think in recent years we have arguably been surpassed. It is hard to say Florida hasn't been better than us in conference the last twenty years or so. LSU is in the midst of their best stretch of football in their history (you have to go back to Neyland to show where we had a better one). Plus, you tack on other late bloomers that have been stellar in recent decades like FSU, Miami and others. Once you do that, I still think we are in the top 15 over the last twenty five years, but it is a much harder argument to make, especially given how long of a stretch we have had outside the top 25 the last few years...
Sorry for the long winded response, but I recently was in a debate with a coworker about this who laughed when I said Tennessee was a top 10 program.
Let's assume for a moment your last sentence is correct. I think it is. That then begs the question why? My answer is that after Kiffin brazenly thumbed his nose at UT tradition and values we were looking for someone who could and would understand those traditions and values. The name Dooley, his lineage and the excellence in coaching that he grew up seeing were an easy sell. The connections, Saban assistant for seven years, recruiting coordinator for two top 5 recruiting classes, was an assistant on a NC team, NFL experience...Took over a moribund, financially challenged team as HC and AD and made it competitive, coached their first bowl win in 30 years...you get the picture. Add to that our backs were against the wall on timing and it really was a no brainer. I don't know if he will succeed but he has done an excellent job in many ways. Now he just needs to win and I think he will turn out to be a steal. JMO
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