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To pay for some armed security guards at schools.
I don't agree with Obama on much, but I absolutely agree this crap has to stop. If that means we have a couple armed guards at every school in America and that means my property taxes are going up to pay for it.....then that's fine with me. Even when I'm older and my kids are out of school, I don't mind paying a little more if it means saving one life. Heck, we've got 8% unemployment....let's put some people to work protecting our children and solve two problems at once.
May seem like overkill, but i think we've reached that point. We're better than this. God's children deserve better than this. We need to do more to protect our kids.....and I don't just mean my kids...I mean your kids or your grandkids or your neighbors kids or your community's kids.
Kids are our future, we need to protect them.
This post was edited by OMGJonGruden 19 months ago
I live in the most heavily taxed state in the nation, and I would be all in for this.
I read one suggestion that we could do some retraining of vet's returning home who have no job. I am for it because the shooters need to be stopped. Gun control is not the issue. They have gun control in Europe and the same things happen.
Hate to say it but bigger problem than security guards. Heck most of these guys have more firepower than police. BUT we need to start somewhere.
Our school has been on lockdown pretty much all morning. The building I'm in is separate from the main building, and I have to go to the front and check in before I'm allowed in the main office, copy room, etc. I was talking to our school resource officer, and she and I agree, as well as you, Gruden. We need people who are armed and responsible in the school.
I'll just disagree on who will be armed.
I'm a teacher. I'm licensed to carry a firearm. I've been through extensive training to carry it. There aren't many teachers like me, so I think i'm in the minority. Put teachers and administrators through an extensive psychological evaluation yearly, as well as advanced firearm training. Let those who are solid and pass carry a firearm, locked, in a cabinet or on their side.
I've been teaching 2 years. I knew this was the environment I was signing up for. If need be, I would jump infront of a bullet for every single one of my students, some of which may be your student, or like them. I just wish the powers at be would let me have something besides my bare hands to take to the fight.
I'm sure there will be those that say we can't trust some teachers. Thats probably accurate, and I don't disagree. But something different needs to happen.
I've thought of and heard this suggested and have no problem with it if the evaluations are intense and frequent.
I would do whatever was needed. Daily, weekly, whatever. I'd feel much safer and I guarantee my students would.
i give you a big plus 1+..that makes more since to me ..sad very sad when the days come the teachers
or princ..has to carry a gun to protect there selfs and the children..but its a must..1 teacher or person would have had a gun in conn would have stood a chance and saved so many lives..back ground checks extensive training what ever it takes i agree..and it needs to happen now.
ive got 4 boys to are grown and married have a boy each..2 grandchildren..2 left at home..1 is in 9 grade
my youngest is in the 6th grade..older we get bader the nerves get.every time the phone rings you have to hold your breath..thinking something bad has happen to 1 of my boy's
my prayers go out to everyone in conn..heavy hearts here for the family's..all for something needs to be done agree 100%...if posiable have a merry christmas to everyone&happy new year!!!
I'm open to just about anything at this point. I'm sure a lot of teacher wouldn't want to carry a gun, but I think i'm ok with those would like to carry.
I was talking to my wife last night and we were relating this to a country like Isreal. I'm not jewish btw, but I do admire how Isreal has been the target of many attacks, so they have significant security at airports, on planes, etc.
If are children are being attacked.....even if it's once every 5 years...that's too much and we need to show the country we take this seriously and will not stand for it.
I am a gun owner and have a carry permit Gun control is not the answer.
The cowards that do this crap always kill themselves when they know the police are moving in. How about going ahead and killing yourself in the parking lot when you see three guards at the front of the school.
And I know they could sneak in the back door, a window, etc, but they could be stopped much more quickly.
More people carrying guns to stop other people from carrying guns is kinda like spending more money to get out of debt...
It's a proven fact that citizens carrying guns helps deter crime. When Florida passed their self defense laws the crimes against people leaving Miami airport dropped drastically. I know you will probably bring up the incident recently in the news but the bottom line is the overall affect has been positive for the citizens. Based on your logic then police officers should not carry guns.
Sheriff Andy Taylor did not carry a gun. Oh, for the days of Mayberry . . .
"Old School"! A strong defense wins championships!
I would be opposed to it.
It seems like a symbolic waste of resources and not a real deterrent. These gunman are usually trying to kill themselves, and they would more than likely have more firepower than the guards anyway.
No, that doesn't match my logic at all, police officers should carry weapons because they are law enforcement. They have endured hours upon hours of training and certification on properly cleaning, loading, handling, and storage of a weapon. They have also undertaken numerous hours of rigourous marksmanship classes and have been trained on how to respond, contain, and neutralize random and/or spontaneous hostile threats in a multitude of scenarios including close quarters, crowded public areas, etc. That's why those people carry firearms everyday.
And the last time I checked 'close-quarter combat experience' wasn't one of the required qualifications for a 3rd grade teacher.
This thread is borderline political so this is all I will offer for it:
I'd rather a sales tax increase than a property tax increase. But yes IMO there should be a trained law enforcement officer in every school. He/she shouldn't have a office nor should he/she ever have a "routine".
This post was edited by VooDooVolunteer 19 months ago
I like this idea, too. Do you think it would also a good idea for those who are carrying to not be publicized? This way anyone even contemplating something of this nature may rethink if they know that any and all classrooms they enter could be armed?
Edit: my bad. Responded to 5for3's post. Do like the way things are handled in Irael though.
This post was edited by Jersey Vol 19 months ago
How about higher taxes to improve the mental health care practices in this country and address the underlying reason for many of these tragic massacres.
If I'm not mistaken I think Israel has something in place that every citizen is required to serve in the military men 2 1/2 years and women 1 1/2 years. Can't remember if I read this somewhere or was told by somebody. Now, I know the USA will never adopt this policy but instead of locking up the 17-25 year olds for crimes make them take the option of hard labor or military and learn some discipline,honor, and respect, it might just go a long way.
I think they need to put the office staff behind bullet proof glass just like a bank have 2 sets of doors first set gets you to the office and if you have a reason to be there after seeing the office staff then they could buzz you through the second set of doors all schools should be equiped with cameras and metal detectors at the first set of doors that will buzz the office if your carrying anything just my thoughts
I'll take my chances with "likely to have more fire power" at least with an armef guard my or your children would have a punchers chance instead of no chance at all. JMO
In today's world it sure as hell should be! Sad but true
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I agree. At this point, if a gunman shows up at my daughter's school.....everyone is totally f'd until the police can get there. If the mall can have security guards, how about let's put them at schools.
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