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Would you hire Joker Phillips as your coach? I'm assuming the answer is no, but you continue to support Dooley even though Phillips has actually accomplished more. Let's look at some facts shall we. In 3 years they have almost identical records in the SEC. Dooley is 4-17 (that's not a typo) while Phillips is 4-18. They have the exact same bowl record...0-1. Phillips has managed to beat a ranked team however when they upset #10 ranked South Carolina in 2010. Dooley has never managed to beat a ranked team. Phillips also pulled off a huge win for his program when they ended a 26 game losing streak to the Dooley led Vols. Dooley has never had a huge win. Yet after three years this is not going to be good enough for Kentucky and it looks like Phillips is going to lose his job. Now, I know Dooley was dealt a bad hand and didn't take over a powerhouse program like Kentucky, but after 3 years the results weren't good enough for the boys in blue. Even though it appears they would have been more then acceptable for a few of my fellow vol fans.
i don't care how much you have supported Dooley in the past or will in the future, this kind of factual argument is hard to go against...
I am a Dooley supporter, but my support for him is dwindling down. If the VOLS lose any of these last four games I too will say kick him to the curb, but I do see some upside in the program and Dooley. I would not support Dooley if the VOLS were not competitive like Kentucky, but the fact is we have been in every game except the Alabama game. The way the team is being built is for the long term success and not the short term which I think is better. I think that if we keep Dooley and Sal Sunseri, our defense will be a lot better next year, because the defense in this off-season will be under a giant microscope. Think of last year how bad our run game was last year and how much it has improved this year, its not great but has made great strives. Also if you are going purely off records during those three years Tennessee has played Alabama 3 times and LSU twice and Kentucky has played LSU once. I would have to research it but I also think over the past three years Tennessee has played the toughest SEC schedule. As for Dooley's bowl lost we all know that was BS.
I am an alumnus and supporter of THE University of Tennessee. Not a coach. The OP is factual and accurate. We need change to propel our program.
Go Big Orange!
I like Dooley, I think he needs a fourth year and if his record does not improve he should be fired. This year was "how competitive we are in the big games" and next year should be"how many of those big games we win". Let Dooley know NOW what you expect next year so there is no confusion.
And yes,UT has played tougher opponents as a whole and has been more in the games than UK, so it's not an exact comparison between the two, but I see your point.
I think you have some people who were willing to give Dooley 2-3 years to win, and others who were willing to give him 3-4 years for the COMPLETE rebuild of the program, and I fall under the 3-4. But loose next year and I will throw the first stone. But I think he will win next year.
This post was edited by Vollogan33 18 months ago
I totally agree, I think he needs one more year.
Coach Dooley has had the tougher schedule, and as others have pointed out the tougher conference opponents, two out of the three years. I think you'll find at the end of the season Coach Dooley will have three more conference wins than Coach Phillips and at least another shot at a bowl.
There are certainly detractors. No 'big' win over a top 25 team being the most shameful to me. I would like another year to see what he can do, but I won't be cursing the school if they go a different direction. Unless they bring in Coach Bill Callahan. If that happens I'm going to Mizzou or Mississippi State. Mostly kidding on that.
With 4 wins next month, me too.
I should add, if he doesn't win the rest of the regular season games, I'll be disappointed.
I'm not entirely sure why this has got so many downvotes. It doesn't come off as a jerk post to me. Trolls and jerks usually get my downvotes. While I don't agree with the poster, I can't possibly downvote the topic.
+1 to ya to counter.
I don't think it's a well thought out post and I disagree with what the OP is implying, but you're right about the down vote. Some people will down vote when they disagree, but I save mine for extremely/constant negative post and trolls.
Personally, I have been a huge CDD supporter. I love his organization skills and his off field discipline program, in that our boys are not getting arrested anymore. He has recruited really well, not great, but the talent level is very much improved. The VFL program is a great idea as well. With that said however, I am afraid that he has not done enough, quick enough. This was the year we were to become competitive again. It hasn't happened, especially on defense. Thus far, our defense couldn't stop water running up hill. Blown assignments are a constant. We live in an "instant gratification" world. It's a microwave mentality. The truth is, we fans are impatient. We want to win now. It has been a tough 5 years. I think he is gone. I really hate that because I like him so much as a high moral figure that our kids can look up to. He represents us well ... off the field. I am a reasonable man but UT just can't lose to KY or Miss State in football nor continue to get blown out in rival games. We just can't! We have too much pride in the power T.
UT must win back the fan base and the state of Tennessee. Bama and Vandy have too much influence in Tennessee. Kids are growing up in Tennessee having no sense of a winning tradition from the Big Orange. To fix that, it's going to take either a great turnaround of epic proportions or an absolutely great hire. It can be fixed, but its got to happen soon. But regardless, I love the Vols. I'm a UT fan forever!
This depends on what you consider big wins. I'd say Cincy last year and NC State this year were big wins. If big wins equals wins against 5 top 12 teams in the SEC then I guess you have a point. But I'd counter that should we really beat teams with more talent overall? We've been close 3 times this year as well as leading the #2 team in the country for almost 3 quarters. I know it's not a win, but does that not count for anything? I'd say it's showing progress toward what we want our team to be.
I'm trying to talk myself back into Dooley just in case he wins out and gets another year. I'm not going into next year with a negative frame of mind if I can help it, but it's definitely hard to do so when you really look at things objectively. Dooley just hasn't performed, and if he was going to lose to Kentucky he needed another win to make up for it. If he comes back and sticks with Sal as his coordinator it's going to be hard to be excited. I know the 3-4 usually has a defensive lapse in the first year, but this is almost unprecedented. We'll see how it goes I guess.
Almost only counts in horseshoe and hand grenades only thing that matters to people is wins.
Bingo! Well said +1. If anyone wants to argue strength of schedule, they can look up UK's schedule and see that they have had a tougher schedule this year. Dooley's had time to win a big game. This is UT, not Vandy. You don't come to UT to "compete" in games, you come here to win and be a premier team in the SEC and nationally. Dooley hasn't shown any sign of being able to win. Next year looks even worse so now is the time to change before he sets us back even further.
Question for everyone. Am I the only one that maybe thinks quality character players don't win big time football games? I think players need that certain edge or toughness about them. Like the Henry's, Stallworth's, the players back in the day at Miami, Bama's players, Florida's players.
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I think the transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4 was harder than anyone anticipated. I want to see if it improves next year. But my patience with this coaching staff is thin. If they win out, they need to put up some major style points on all of the games. They also need to stop those deep passes on third and short, or what i call "third and Cheney."
I think Tennessee does better than 1-7 with Kentucky's schedule. As far as SOS is concerned, I'd expect Kentucky's SOS rating to drop just a hair after they play Samford...but then again, who knows. They could lose to Samford. Nothing's out of the realm there. Tennessee has had the tougher schedule the previous two seasons. I'll give UT a pass for this season because who knew Kentucky would run into that juggernaut Western Kentucky Hilltopper team. If Kentucky's schedule is tougher at the end of the season, it's not by much.
As far as not showing a sign, Dooley's had a 3 point loss to South Carolina, a 10 point loss to Mississippi State (whereas it was a 3 point game with seconds to go), and a 7 point loss to Georgia just this season. That's showing a sign of being able to win. I can't say next year looks worse, though. I'd expect the defense to gel a bit with a year under their belt.
I agree with the rest of your needing to win, being a premier team and all. If we don't win out the rest of the regular season, it's time to make a change.
To answer the OP, no I would not want Joker Phillips as the coach for the University of Tennessee. Although Phillips has a couple of big wins in his tenure, he has also had some horrible blow out losses and has losses to teams that Kentucky was favored over. But in reality, I could really care less for the fortunes of Kentucky football.
The reason I support Coach Dooley is he is the coach of my beloved Vols. He has an opportunity to win out and take this team to a bowl. If he takes advantage of the opportunities ahead, I think we will continue to get on the right track. The close, nail biting losses suffered this year to quality teams were blow-outs in years past. Take a play here or there, and the close losses could have been wins . . . however, they are still in the L column for now.
I have seen enough glimpses from the Coach Dooley led teams to see hope. I pause and remember that this is really year one as far as this staff goes. The improvements in the running game and OLine gives me hope the other areas will improve as well. The quality depth that is being stockpiled on BOTH sides of the line gives me hope for a more successful future.
However, if the Vols stumble in the final four games, particularly against the Cats or Vandy . . . well, we can cross that bridge IF we come to it.
"Old School"! A strong defense wins championships!
Do you really think we are catching up on talent right now? The recruiting rankings tell you no. We are not winning and we are not closing the talent gap. We need a big name coach if we are going to compete in today's SEC.
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