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The WR's on the outside we are rolling out there have been unimpressive to say the least (At least from Reports and Videos) They don't create seperation, they are slow, and consistently drop passes...
Marquez North was the #2 WR on TOS in the 2013. The #2 WR should step in and make an immediate impact. We need him to. We need him to have an Amari Cooper type impact.
It's unfair, I know but we need him to be legit. The talent at WR just isn't good enough.
Absolutely true. Him and Jenkins. While I realize that Jenkins isn't considered the elite athlete/receiver that North is, we need both to make really impactful contributions.
I don't expect Amari-type impacts because he was an EE, but still...need them to play well.
This post was edited by CrockettTM 12 months ago
I might be way off base,
Was he projected to have a big upside at WR, but not a pure WR coming out of high school? If that's the case, I would be concerned about how much he'll be able to do out of the gate.
If I'm wrong, then ignore everything I just wrote.
I agree with you that he doesn't look "natural" like the top WR's do. The majority of his highlights are on handoffs, and I remember at the Army game last year, they said he doesn't pin point the ball in the air good enough....
But this team Needs a guy on the outside to step up.
If he's athletic enough to be an immediate outside threat I'll be happy. Then he can learn everything else on the fly.
We do have talent at WO, but you have to realize the guys that are being put out there right now in the spring, that you are saying aren't good enough, have zero or almost zero experience. Does North need to be an immediate impact? Yes, absolutely. But Harris and Croom also have to be immediate impacts...their all freshmen. I don't understand the freak out. We lost 3 NFL WR and have known that mostly underclassmen would have to step in. There's no need for a over reaction and claim we don't have talent at the position. Bottom line is that our WR and passing game overall is not going to be electric. We'll more than likely spend the whole season yelling at a bunch of underclassmen WR making mistakes. I just want our D and our running game to be good. The passing game can come when it gets its pieces together. So let's focus the freaking out on the defense and run game.
It really is unrealistic to think any true FR WR can make a major impact unless you think that is about what Justin Hunter did as a FR. That is almost the ceiling in this league unless an EE or surrounded by veterans and a heck of a cast/ running game/ qb etc
We need to temper our expectations for those not on campus yet. We need a wr core to produce as a group. VD might be our #1 WR......There might not be a real #2 til later in the year unless Pig or DY steps up in the slot and really take hold of that position. IMO the slot WR position is the most impt on the field outside a few passes a game that keep the safeties honest that North could be similar to J Hunter in 2010.
Our #2-3 options might be a RB or TE.......which would be fine by me.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SamVolsam 12 months ago
Despite their lack of experience, I've been disappointed reading about their lack of progress. This was a fairly highly touted group --- Pig and Bowles in particular.
I agree with Drizz that we need North (and Jenkins) to step up once they hit campus. Hopefully Croom is there too once he recovers from his injuries.
I agree with Drizz that we need North to make an immediate impact. I still feel like there's time for Croom and Harris to establish themselves there as well though. Jacob Carter can be a valuable move the chains type of guy.
I'm sorry drizz but I'm not seeing how were hurting so bad. I know they're inexperienced but I think we'll have plenty of talent w Croom, Harris, Howard and consistency w carter, Blanc, Bowles etc. I'm positive once North and Jenkins come in they'll work to get in the mix but I can say w almost 100% certainty that what we see now is not what we'll get in the fall. These boys are playing slow now because of conditioning and learning this new offense. I definitely agree w you that North is going to come in and insert himself into the line up but I don't think we desperately need him to.
I'm not saying the current guys are bad. But when it's 3rd and 9 who are you passing to?? Anybody?? That is where I think North has to come in, because thought VD, Croom, and Carter may be descent WR's, they aren't great athletes. We need a guy who can create seperation and make tough catches. I'm hoping North is that guy.
I think Croom has to be the go to guy and North has to be the one that they get the ball to creatively. This WR group goes as far as Croom goes JMO
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Some good thoughts in this thread. But I think some posts either 1) dramatically underestimate how bad our WR group looks right now (talent does NOT equal production) or 2) underestimate how hard it is to go from HS to the SEC especially when not an EE and especially with a guy like North who sounds pretty raw as a WR.
I've begun to accept that our offense will probably be pretty bad, at least early on. I'm more worried about our ability to run the ball. That's a must.
Sly, I wish I had this optimism. Croom has potential but he's less than 6 months removed from having been switched to TE. Size is great, but he'll need to prove the athleticism. Harris may or may not have the speed or athleticism to be special at some point. Howard is tiny and can only be used in the slot. The rumors about his hands aren't good.
Including Bowles, who sounds like he has miles to go from a route running and more concerningly an athletic perpspective, and Blanc, who we expected to be a safety a year ago, in the "consistent" group is being very generous.
Not trying to be Debbie downer but I agree with Drizz's main concern, if not the focus on North's true freshman year.
A lot those guys were polished, experienced receivers and had the benefit of solid QB play. We don't have that (yet). New system, new QB, new receiver group - it's a lot to expect a steady productive passing game this year.
Maybe I'm overweighting some of the spring practice results.
Agreed. They'll get better from here. I am definitely a believer in the new staff's system and their ability to coach qbs and receivers up.
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I personally believe we need all current and incoming to contribute in some way. Croom scares me, was he not out last year with hamstring? If so seems maybe he has injury issue with hammy. Hope he heals and never again but concern of mine on croom. I believe jenkins may surprise some. Seems he gets lots of praise for his precise route running. All in all I believe these coaches will find ways to produce points in some way. 2014 should be a good year with plenty of experienced depth at wr hope they can get by this year with a solid group effort. JMHO.
Jacob carter and young should be very good car ter has good hands add north and have croom. Pig. That's 5 pretty good wr
This post was edited by vols4life1969 12 months ago
I don't think North will have any more impact than Hunter did when he was a Fr..........I think he will make some splashes most definitely, but start?...........thats a stretch. I think we will be able to move the ball with the receivers we have.........The offense certainly won't score from anywhere on the field like last year, but i think we will be able to move the ball. It seems that the extra conditioning, blocking, etc that is required of receivers in this offense might hamper the Fr. from making much of an impact unless they are EE's.
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