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Tennessee signed 50 4 or 5 star prospects between the 2008-2012 recruiting periods.
Last season, only 25 of them played in a game for Tennessee, during it's 5-7, 1-7 in the SEC season. Note that 3 more did redshirt last year. They did add another 4 star in Bullard by transfer, so they played with 26 former 4/5 stars last season.
Of course, from 2008 to 2012, Tennessee has gone just 28-34 during this time, 12-28 in the SEC.
So just food for thought, while fans will boast about what the program is currently doing....about half of the 4/5 stars they signed over the last 5 year period were gone [and most not because "the pros came a calling"] and the ones that stuck around, were apart of some of the worst UT teams in recent history, most notably last seasons team.
There would probably be statements about the 2009 class that Kiffin signed, or the dismissals or transfers from the transitional class between Kiffin and Dooley in 2010, but as we all know, every class is likely to have guys not pan out, get dismissed, transfer, etc...especially among higher rated guys, for whatever reason, they just always seem to be the ones that "disappear" off of rosters eventually during their 3-5 year college path.
So basically, a few things:
1. Signing 4 stars isn't some new, radical occurrence for Tennessee, so maybe fans should exercise a little "we've been here before" approach.
2. Signing 4 stars doesn't guarantee a thing, as evidence by the last 5 years, and as evidence by the fact that the retention rate is always precarious and its especially been that way at UT recently.
3. Tennessee's had some pretty highly rated classes before...maybe some caution as well as humility could be exercised by its fan base given the mass exoduses of the past as well as relative failures on the field.
4. In the bragging rights department, not only did VU beat UT 41-18 last season, they did so with only 2 4-stars actively playing while the rest of the actual 2012 playing team was still made up of mostly 2 stars with various 3 stars mixed in. So VU's mostly 2/3 star team beat Tennessee and it's team that had about 40% of its active, scholarship roster, made up of former 4-stars. Soooo, if there's ever more of an example of its what you do with the talent when you get it, it's last year's game.
Just sayin...nothing nasty here, just facts, certain to get lots of negative, but the FACTS speak for themselves and the rating systems, I do wish all the very best, the next few years will be interesting, best of luck to all and let's have a good season and good health for all, regardless of school
You do realize that Dooley was the coach during most of that period right? Enjoy your ONE win at home in almost 30 years over the worst coach Tennessee has ever had. Let that fact sink in for a minute. That's all the facts that matter when it comes to Vandy.
One thing: UT had Dooley, Vandy did not. That alone kills your argument.
And for those who know soccer:
You came to our board telling us to exercise humility and act like we've been here before. Quit being jealous. Go home.
I agree with the star thing. And I have to agree with most of your post, but I have a problem with the humility reference. That goes both ways. Vandy beats a under achieving horribly coached team that had given up on a lame duck coaching staff, and only the second time in my 34 years. And all of a sudden their unbeatable and a much better program than UT. I know its hard for some fans that have never won to know how to act and be rationale, both fan bases have these types, but at least ours is based on an 117 years and not just the last one. My point is beat us more than twice in the next 30 years then brag.
Candy fans try to say past doesn't count when you mention try have 2 wins in 30 years yet try to prove their point with past facts of two coaching staffs that aren't here anymore. The irony is strong with those losers
It's true...taken a few minutes ago...
UT Softball vs Vandy Football
Oh and +1 for the research
This post was edited by abkelley74 12 months ago
I don't get the research either since Dooley was the coach. Tennessee talent > Vandy talent. It's not hard to look at last years NFL draft and players invited to the combine to see who has more talent. Vandy will never have the talent to win in this league. Do all the research you want. The proof is there. Tennessee has almost an entire starting o line headed to the NFL this next draft. What does Vandy have? Some lame duck receiver? Really? That's it?????
Wait a minute tntoak. I, as an MTSU Alum with a winning record against Vandy, would put them at the third in the state.
This post was edited by volfanrbf 12 months ago
It's sad that 1. there isn't enough Vandy sports information and/or traffic on your board 2. nothing interesting happening in your personal life that you have the time and the desire to come to our board and type out a long Internet essay.
This is the type of post that makes me shake my head in frustration. Likewise, I can't stand the Vanderbilt fans that post, "41-18 is all that matters. 41-18! 41-18!" It seems to me that the truth is somewhere in the center and neither side will admit it. There is no doubt that UT has an amazing football history. There is no doubt that Vanderbilt has been a pathetic football program for as long as most of us can remember. Neither of these things necessitate anything about the future of the two programs. I wish Vandy fans would quit pointing to last year's win like it erases decades of poor performances. I wish Tennessee fans would quit pointing to decades of poor performances as evidence that last year was a fluke.
The truth is that Vandy is on the rise. Tennessee is rebuilding. Will UT return to the top? Maybe, maybe not. Will Vandy continue to make gains like it has over the past couple years? Maybe, maybe not. Will UT's current recruiting class bud into amazing college stars? Maybe, maybe not. Will Vandy's? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, the rivalry is heating up, and that's a good thing! Ten or fifteen years ago, UT fans wouldn't care what Vandy was doing or who they were recruiting because the teams simply weren't in the same league. That is changing, and it's silly to pretend otherwise. It's also silly to think that Vandy has arrived. I'm just excited that there is a good rivalry heating up finally.
And here's a little bit about my perspective: I've spent the last seven years at Vanderbilt for undergrad and law school. I now bleed black and gold. That being said, I grew up in middle Tennessee and was a huge UT football fan for most of my childhood until I decided where to go to college my junior year of high school.
I think all the current bitterness between the two fan bases can be summed up best by saying that the Vandy fans are scared last year was a fluke and the UT fans are scared that it wasn't.
Just my two cents.
I had to give this a +1 despite the fact that you admittedly cheer for Vandy . . .
"Old School"! A strong defense wins championships!
Ok - I'll give you that point.
Jalen Hurd has more followers than jf, lol. Our BASKETBALL coach has 2 1/2 times as many followers as vandy's football coach. So....what's this about there being a lot of excitement around vandy?
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.
Shake your head all you want. Vandy is no where near on the rise. They aren't beating UF, USC, and UGA to compete in the SEC with the recruiting classes they bring in. This is the SEC. It takes talent to win in this league. Vandy will never have the talent to do that. Tennessee is a lot closer than Vandy is in that respect. You don't have to like it. I don't care if you do. Vandy has one win over Tennessee in Nashville the last 30 years. That's it. Congrats on getting Dooley fired. You did us guys a favor.
I got down voted for laughing and giving him a +1. Hahahaha hit me again, I care not. Hahahaha
By Vandy standards, that is unprecedented support. They're more like a FCS school on that level...
Some fair points here. I think the problem here at UT has been the head coach. I don't want to pile on Dooley (truly), but there is no excuse for losing to UK (with a WR playing QB for them); no excuse for giving up so many yards and points to the likes of Troy; no excuse for not being able to run the ball effectively against Montana. I could go on, but you get the idea. Bad head coaching decisions are mistakes that haunt programs. I think UT Finally has its man in CBJ. Remember, the knock on Butch was that he could not recruit. CBJ has four conference title in six years as a head coach. A good coach, with good players, can do big things.
The most important thing you said was that only 25 of the 4 and 5 stars played for Tennessee last year. If that is true, its because we had 3 coaches in 3 years and are on yet another coaching change. There will always be attrition when there are coaching changes.
By the way, I am only talking about head coaches. The # of strength coaches and position coaches are staggering. We have had seniors who have never had the same position coach or strength coach for 2 years in a row!!
This is still alive???
“Count it down with me . . . Five, four, three, two, one. The national champion is clad in Big Orange."
Someone did their luminosity exercises this morning.
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