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Corey Miller, Jacques Smith, and Mo Couch play up to their potential this season, curt maggitt is totally healthy, and Marquez North steps up as our reliable number one wideout in the coming season?
Butch Jones. Who???
I think those would be huge in helping us get to a bowl game. I really hope that the senior-led defensive line can surprise everyone. Smith, Walls, Miller, Couch, McCullers, and Hood have a chance to leave their mark and really propel this team into over-achievement.
"When we step on that football field, everyone flips a switch. And it's on..." - Butch Jones
If Corey and Jacques play up to their potential, I think we go from 5-7 with minimal pass rush to 7-5, honestly. They have so much ability, just haven't been able to piece it together. I remember when they first came in thinking about how incredible it was going to be in two years when they could both start. Oh how things have changed...
That's a lot of "ifs" but in the event that that all happens, we probably go 7-5 or 8-4 in the regular season. JMO.
"What did he do? All he did was score!" - John Ward
what is their potential? all three have had 3 years of college football so I would think they have gotten close to what they are. Not many become All American's or even All Conference in their last year with college resume's like these 3 have. Typically, they have already shown that potential and IMO, neither of these have gotten close to that.. maybe they have reached their potential??
Very Valid. I think everyone is still trying to fit their ratings out of HS into what they have become. JMO
yep, All 3 were 4 stars. Couch has played as about a 3 star in college, Miller is a 2.5 or 3 star at best and Smith has looked like a 3 star at times and a 2 star at other times. I would likely give he and Miller 2.5 or 3 stars as college players.
JMO and that will probably get some 1 stars or down votes whatever is done over here. LOL
Smith and Miller have been here for 37 games over 3 years. Miller earned 4 starts in that time and Smith has had 14 starts. Couch has 13 starts in 24 games. Also, its not like they have all been behind All American players..
I may have misspoken. I meant each players billing they maintained out of high school (all being ranked top 100 in their respective classes). Clearly they have not shown said potential in terms of my definition.
Edit: no down votes from me, I always respect your well informed opinion.
This post was edited by Resurgent Vol 9 months ago
Normally, I'd agree, but as freshmen they looked like they had real potential, even with Miller playing out of position. They both struggled as Sophs. I don't know what to think about last year. Switch to 3-4, third d-line coach, Sunseri, etc. Alot of bad stuff happened the last three years that would stunt alot of players' growth. We've seen players meet potential under new coaches where they struggled with consistency or just struggled before. So as improbable as it seems, its possible (not likely but possible).
This post was edited by DCVolunteer 9 months ago
There are the rare players that are going to be superstars no matter who is coaching them (think CP). But most players are going to need development and a successful system with strong leadership to reach their full potential and exceed expectations. Look how Ole Miss flourished under new leadership last year while Arky floundered.
While I have a lot of respect for LWS and his insights, I am not confident that Tennessee had the right leadership over the last few years, particularly on defense,to truly judge our current players' potential.
Very accurate and informed evaluation.
It is possible but what little info I get from inside the program says these guys have not progressed in terms of technique and all the physical talent and hard work in the world will not lead you to be a top performer in the SEC if you don't learn and use good technique. Smith in particular still rushes the passer the way he did when he got here and that is he tries to bull rush and doesn't have the speed or size to do that.
I agree coaching or the constant change with coaching (they have had a different DL coach each year they have been in Knoxville) has a lot to do with their struggles. This year, another different coach for them to learn along with a different system, different terminology. Just again makes it harder for expectations on them getting better.
Players not reaching potential is not always their problem. Many don't just due to the situation they are in throughout their careers which could be because of constant small injuries or bad coaching or new coaches throughout, etc. etc. Lots of other reasons for players not reaching potential..
I did assume that was what you meant I was just stirring more conversation. :)
The data suggests that well over 50% of signees, don't reach their high school billing. Almost 40% (this is an average SEC number) of signing classes don't complete their eligibility with the school they sign with. I think it is easy to assume over 50% don't live up to high school billing for a lot of reason...
That's pretty interesting. You won't see that statistic on the front page of these websites
Agree 100%. I'm assuming when the OP said "play up to their potential" he meant "play a hell of a lot better than they have played up to now". I've never seen anything that makes me think they will suddenly become dominant or even better players.
Great info LWS. Also a little shocking. That's a much higher percentage than I would have guessed. Thanks for the insight. +1 (That's what we do over here.)
BUTCH IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. GO VOLS!
I think this would lead to 7 wins with a bowl game visit. Even with those things happening we would be huge underdogs for the Oregon, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Bama games.
Ah hell I'll be the cliche optimistic Vol fan. IF the stars align (which is basically what you're asking) I see 8-4 or 9-4 (bowl win) as a real possibility. We have a great O line. If we can have a manageable QB (which we do let's be honest) and a GOOD run game (remains to be seen) and M. North steps up along with Croom then I see no reason for us not to be able to put up some points.
The problems lies in our secondary, just like last year. This is the one area I am most interested in seeing. If Sunseri truly was a terrible coach then we should be able to scheme better for our lack of athletes in the backfield.
Honestly, I would truly be shocked if we only win 5 this year.
Oregon, Florida, Bama, and Georgia being our losses. All others being wins IF the stars align. Even if they don't I'm so excited about 2015-16 that I don't care. Might as well make it a lost decade since we're 6 years deep in misery.
Go Vols! Go Butch! Go Beer!
This post was edited by StokedVol 9 months ago
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
― Winston Churchill
I trend toward the optomistic side as well..........If we have a top 35 defense I think we can win 7 games plus a possible bowl win.........I am not quite as worried about about the secondary due to Randolph being back and Mcneil having a year under his belt.............Solid LB's.......If the front 4 do play a step above what they have shown, and the CB's are at least somewhat
uh....decent... ??............I think a top 30-40 defense is possible. I know it doesn't seem plausible after the debacle last year..........but like I said.......I'm an optimist.
I agree, as I stated, its not likely. Out of the three mentioned Smith is the one least likely to buck the trend. He never had to play DT like Miller and Smith, according to some, actually got to play his true position (3-4 outside LB) last year and still didn't set the world on fire. I want to see what a healthy, in shape Couch can do in a 4-3. As far as Miller, he's endured alot since he's been here- moving from DE to DT in a 4-3 as a freshmen, some off field problems, and moving to DE in a 3-4. I believe this may be the first year he has participated throughout and will be playing what is probably his natural position. I have seen alot of guys who never panned out and then I've seen guys like Crompton and Big Dan step up with better coaching and maturity. Hopefully those predicting 6 wins or less are wrong. We will start to get some answers in less than a month.
S/o to my guy @CoreyMillerYFN throwing up 600lbs on Squat today in the War Room. Offensive Tackles beware #VFL
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