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  • Do any of you know anything about david climer of the Tennessean? I was just lookin around their website and it seems like he's extremely anti-UT and just really, really down on the program. Has he always been this way? I know he's in nashville, but it's not like Vandy has a huge fanbase he's trying to appease.

    Really just curious if he's always been this way and how he is as a reporter.

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    BuckShot JP

  • BuckShot JP said...

    Do any of you know anything about david climer of the Tennessean? I was just lookin around their website and it seems like he's extremely anti-UT and just really, really down on the program. Has he always been this way? I know he's in nashville, but it's not like Vandy has a huge fanbase he's trying to appease.

    Really just curious if he's always been this way and how he is as a reporter.

    Climer is a UT grad, as I recall. He is not pro-Vandy. He isnt't pro-anyone. In person he is sort of a frowny-face with an I-smell-ish attitude.

    His two contributions to UT literature are the phrases "showed their Big Orange backsides" and "tempest in a UT pot." He overused these clever gems to the point people began to ridicule him for it.

    Chartervol

  • Chartervol said...

    Climer is a UT grad, as I recall. He is not pro-Vandy. He isnt't pro-anyone. In person he is sort of a frowny-face with an I-smell-ish attitude.

    His two contributions to UT literature are the phrases "showed their Big Orange backsides" and "tempest in a UT pot." He overused these clever gems to the point people began to ridicule him for it.

    did he cover the vols for someone in knoxville previously?

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  • BuckShot JP said...

    did he cover the vols for someone in knoxville previously?

    Think he used to cover the Vols on a regular basis in the late 80s and early 90s. He and a couple others (maybe Biddle? Maybe Mo Patton?) would drive over from Nashville a few days each week. Eventually the Tennessean hired a UT beat writer that was based in Knoxville.

    Kevin Ryan

  • I just finished reading article after article in the AJC about all the meaningful games today. And then there is our game - a meaningless game featuring two teams winless in the SEC who have already fired their coaches. What positive thing about Tennessee does Climer have to write about?

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  • RunThruThe T said...

    I just finished reading article after article in the AJC about all the meaningful games today. And then there is our game - a meaningless game featuring two teams winless in the SEC who have already fired their coaches. What positive thing about Tennessee does Climer have to write about?

    lol, when you put it like that, yea i guess. i was just curious about him

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  • I've considered him to be pretty pessimistic on UT for as long as I can remember. I think it was even worse when UT was good - stood out a lot more then.

    Out of pure curiosity, I took a look at a Tennessean sports page that I have saved from 1986 just now. The first line of the only UT Climer article in it begins, approximately, 'While Tennessee may be disappearing into the Southeastern Conference sunset....' Now it was a basketball story and was probably true, but it was in January, I think, and I'm sure he enjoyed typing it. Just saw too much of it over the years.

    That line and the date thereof, tells you pretty much all you need to know. He's always celebrated any UT misfortune, in my opinion. And I generally sort of play the Devil's Advocate with respect to journalist neutrality/independence. Climer has always enjoyed UT problems, imo.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by winchestervol63 on 11/24/2012 at 9:19 AM

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  • Kevin Ryan said...

    Think he used to cover the Vols on a regular basis in the late 80s and early 90s. He and a couple others (maybe Biddle? Maybe Mo Patton?) would drive over from Nashville a few days each week. Eventually the Tennessean hired a UT beat writer that was based in Knoxville.

    Lessee, Kevin. Larry Woody, maybe? Larry Taft was there, but did more High School stuff, IIRC. Seems like Dwight Lewis wrote some UT stuff from time to time. Probably others that I can't recall.

    winchestervol63

  • BuckShot JP said...

    Do any of you know anything about david climer of the Tennessean? I was just lookin around their website and it seems like he's extremely anti-UT and just really, really down on the program. Has he always been this way? I know he's in nashville, but it's not like Vandy has a huge fanbase he's trying to appease.

    Really just curious if he's always been this way and how he is as a reporter.

    I never read anything that idiot has to say! & the fact he's a UT grad makes what he writes even worse!!
    Him & Clay Travis are two peas n a pod! JMO.
    GO BIG ORANGE!!

    BigOrangePete

  • BuckShot JP said...

    Do any of you know anything about david climer of the Tennessean? I was just lookin around their website and it seems like he's extremely anti-UT and just really, really down on the program. Has he always been this way? I know he's in nashville, but it's not like Vandy has a huge fanbase he's trying to appease.

    Really just curious if he's always been this way and how he is as a reporter.

    Climer isn't anti-UT. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's just a columnist doing his job. Everybody in basically every major sports city thinks the sports columnists for the local paper are out to embarrass the home team, for some reason. But that's probably not true the vast majority of the time, and it's certainly not true with Climer, I can assure you.

    The Vols may make for an easy target right now, but he's just doing his job, and he definitely has teed off plenty on Vanderbilt, the Titans and others over the years.

    This post was edited by Ryan Callahan on 11/24/2012 at 9:39 AM

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    Ryan Callahan

  • Sorry Ryan, normally I'd agree with you but in Clymer's case he is always an antagonist. If occassionally he'd be able to say something positive, or at least constructive, I'd agree with you. He is caught up in a nested loop of negative.

    coonhound

  • BuckShot JP said...

    Do any of you know anything about david climer of the Tennessean? I was just lookin around their website and it seems like he's extremely anti-UT and just really, really down on the program. Has he always been this way? I know he's in nashville, but it's not like Vandy has a huge fanbase he's trying to appease.

    Really just curious if he's always been this way and how he is as a reporter.

    i've been a UT fan for over 40yrs. and until 11 months ago the tennesseean was were i got almost all of myUT info. climer is the reason i got myself a computer and found 247. i know that may sound crazy but i sware that it's true. i got tired of his bull.
    GO BIG ORANGE!!! volsvols

    This post was edited by tom cat on 11/24/2012 at 9:47 AM

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    tom cat

  • coonhound said...

    Sorry Ryan, normally I'd agree with you but in Clymer's case he is always an antagonist. If occassionally he'd be able to say something positive, or at least constructive, I'd agree with you. He is caught up in a nested loop of negative.

    That's why I was wondering. I know what ryan said about columnists is right, but i've seen quite a bit of his stuff over the past few months (either on the Tennessean's website or just google'ing UT news" and it all seems to be...maybe anti-UT isnt the right way of putting it, but very negative. I know that there isn't a WHOLE lot that's going great for vol football fans, but it just seems like most of the stuff I see from him is negative.

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  • winchestervol63 said...

    Lessee, Kevin. Larry Woody, maybe? Larry Taft was there, but did more High School stuff, IIRC. Seems like Dwight Lewis wrote some UT stuff from time to time. Probably others that I can't recall.

    When I covered the Vols for an international wire service, the Tennessean beat writer was a salty old dog named F.M. Williams. He was a nice guy one you got to know him. Also knew Dwight Lewis -- havent heard his name in years.

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Climer isn't anti-UT. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's just a columnist doing his job. Everybody in basically every major sports city thinks the sports columnists for the local paper are out to embarrass the home team, for some reason. But that's probably not true the vast majority of the time, and it's certainly not true with Climer, I can assure you.

    The Vols may make for an easy target right now, but he's just doing his job, and he definitely has teed off plenty on Vanderbilt, the Titans and others over the years.

    Ryan is right. Fans don't usually realize that a columnists' job is primarily to be a critic of the teams he covers. Columnists who are homers aren't very good columnists.

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    RockytopATL

  • I don't think anyone wants a homer, just an objective writer. I disagree that a beat writer or professional journalist is a paid critic, they are expected provide objective information to the population they serve.

    coonhound

  • RockytopATL said...

    Ryan is right. Fans don't usually realize that a columnists' job is primarily to be a critic of the teams he covers. Columnists who are homers aren't very good columnists.

    Rocky and Ryan are both right. I just never liked sharing a press box with the man. He'd whine about free beer.

    Chartervol

  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Climer isn't anti-UT. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's just a columnist doing his job. Everybody in basically every major sports city thinks the sports columnists for the local paper are out to embarrass the home team, for some reason. But that's probably not true the vast majority of the time, and it's certainly not true with Climer, I can assure you.

    The Vols may make for an easy target right now, but he's just doing his job, and he definitely has teed off plenty on Vanderbilt, the Titans and others over the years.

    Respect your opinion, Ryno, but I disagree. Been reading ol' Dave Climer for at least 30 years and he's consistently been pessimistic on UT. Now, I don't know that it's UT in particular - may well be that he likes to be negative towards pretty much everybody he covers, to some extent. There are some writers who work this route to stir up some interest - sort of a old-school, quaint precursor to today's shock jocks.

    For what it's worth, there's not a single other writer I've ever thought this about, covering any team, ever. I'm not predisposed to this kind of thought at all. But, I doubt that I missed 5 of his articles concerning UT over a 25 year period (like many, I sort of quit the 'newspaper' about 5 years ago), so I feel like I've done enough homework to have a good opinion. There were many other UT writers for the Tennessean and Banner over the years and I never thought it about any of them.

    Fair is fair, though. He and I did agree on two point conversion strategy and exchanged a few emails about such back in the 90's. He's solid on that front.

    winchestervol63

  • coonhound said...

    I don't think anyone wants a homer, just an objective writer. I disagree that a beat writer or professional journalist is a paid critic, they are expected provide objective information to the population they serve.

    Columnists aren't paid to be objective. They are by definition subjective. That's how opinion writing is different. Beat writers and columnists are totally different animals.

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Climer isn't anti-UT. He doesn't have an axe to grind. He's just a columnist doing his job. Everybody in basically every major sports city thinks the sports columnists for the local paper are out to embarrass the home team, for some reason. But that's probably not true the vast majority of the time, and it's certainly not true with Climer, I can assure you.

    The Vols may make for an easy target right now, but he's just doing his job, and he definitely has teed off plenty on Vanderbilt, the Titans and others over the years.

    PC

    tnbear66

  • RockytopATL said...

    Columnists aren't paid to be objective. They are by definition subjective. That's how opinion writing is different. Beat writers and columnists are totally different animals.

    I do believe columnists should be unbiased - a word that often gets confused with objective - and most who write for major newspapers are unbiased. But you're right about one thing people often don't quite understand: Columnists have entirely different jobs from beat writers. They're not there to report straightforward information. They're paid to have an opinion.

    This post was edited by Ryan Callahan on 11/24/2012 at 10:45 AM

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    Ryan Callahan

  • Chartervol said...

    Rocky and Ryan are both right. I just never liked sharing a press box with the man. He'd whine about free beer.

    Well, now we're getting right down to it. A guy who'd 'whine about free beer' will pretty much complain about anything.

    Is only natural that his writing would have an negative bent to it and I think that it does.

    winchestervol63

  • tnbear66 said...

    PC

    No. Just calling it like I see it.

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    Ryan Callahan

  • Constant negativity in a journalist whether commentator or beat writer is intellectual laziness. They don't have to be cheerleaders but they do need to have an imagination at least as big as their ego's. I can name on one hand the sports journalists I respect. JMO

    tnbear66

  • winchestervol63 said...

    Well, now we're getting right down to it. A guy who'd 'whine about free beer' will pretty much complain about anything.

    Is only natural that his writing would have an negative bent to it and I think that it does.

    Maybe we're debating different things here. If you all are arguing that Climer is just negative in general, that's not for me to decide. Maybe he is. I don't know. I'm just arguing he doesn't have an agenda regarding UT, and he's no more positive or negative about the Vols than he is about anyone else.

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    Ryan Callahan