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Derrick Green was a silent commitment to Dooley and Graham

  • hueypilot said...

    I'm sure Dooley was kind to small animals, maybe a good father. But not a good football coach. And he was lazy as a recruiter at least on his last class. You don't want to believe HS coaches. This will be my final comment to you. This from a Middle Tennessee sports writer, just yesterday. I asked him why the Ramsey kid from B'wood Academy disdained Tennessee so. He said that it wasn't that way. That Ramsey's parents were Florida fans and if he decommitted from USC he'd likely go to Florida. So he goes to Florida State, Florida's blood rival. In other words Tennessee was never even on the map for what is regarded as the best prospect in Tennessee. A cover corner that every team covets. So when I asked this writer, who has covered sports in Middle Tennessee for over 20 years, here is his reply. "That staff had a lot of ground to make up post-Dooley. I think they decided to salvage what they could this year and really hit it hard with this junior class." A lot of ground to make up. You go on thinking Dooley was a good recruiter. I think Dooley looked at the rock star money guys were making in coaching, and decided it'd be a long time before a lawyer could get into that tax bracket. He traded off of his name, hooked onto a star in Saban, got a gig at La Tech, and took this one when no one in the country you ever heard of would take it, cut himself the biggest sweetheart deal in SEC history, tried but was found wanting and way, way over his head in the SEC. Sailed into the sunset with a $5 million golden parachute and his doctor wife. It's is amazing to me he is actually working in coaching again, but will not ever be a HC at any D1 program worth his salt. Some people refuse to acknowledge that Dooley was totally out of his depth. If that is your real portrait, then, I understand.

    100% emotion. Zero facts. How can you possibly lose? To say Dooley did absolutely no good thing for Tennessee is one of the most unintelligent things I have ever heard. I imagine you love listening to cattleman call into radio shows...

    Popcorn Sutton

  • WVa Vol said...

    It's logically inconsistent to say that Dooley brought in a few great recruits in the 2010 class? It's a HUGE leap in logic to say that Kiffin was at all responsible for Dooley's second class. No basis in reality... you're a funny guy.

    You are like a Chihuahua barking at the heels of a Rottweiler, you are way over-matched in this one and just seem to want to argue for the sake of it. tntoak has made very reasonable statements about the progression of classes and the impacts each coach has had and all you seem to be doing is picking a piece and twisting its context to suit your argument.

    Also, if you cannot handle the fact that someone has an extensive vocabulary get yourself a dictionary and a thesaurus so you can keep up.

    volfanrbf ●

  • volfanrbf said...

    You are like a Chihuahua barking at the heels of a Rottweiler, you are way over-matched in this one and just seem to want to argue for the sake of it. tntoak has made very reasonable statements about the progression of classes and the impacts each coach has had and all you seem to be doing is picking a piece and twisting its context to suit your argument.

    Also, if you cannot handle the fact that someone has an extensive vocabulary get yourself a dictionary and a thesaurus so you can keep up.

    Now, why did you have to go and make this personal by insinuating that I'm not intelligent enough to understand his vocabulary? I'm very educated and perfectly capable. Since your argument is completely ad hominem I see no point in responding further. +1 to you though for effort.

    This post was edited by WVa Vol on 2/9/2013 at 9:49 PM

    WVa Vol

  • volfanrbf said...

    You are like a Chihuahua barking at the heels of a Rottweiler, you are way over-matched in this one and just seem to want to argue for the sake of it. tntoak has made very reasonable statements about the progression of classes and the impacts each coach has had and all you seem to be doing is picking a piece and twisting its context to suit your argument.

    Also, if you cannot handle the fact that someone has an extensive vocabulary get yourself a dictionary and a thesaurus so you can keep up.

    This isn't true at all. After tnoak clarified that he was just pointing out a trend of recruiting correlating with winning, I understood why he might say that. In any case, I still don't think it's accurate to say that Kiffin is responsible for Dooley's 2 good classes but that Fulmer wasn't responsible for Kiffin's or Dooley for Jones'. Logical inconsistencies should be pointed out. Whatever criteria you use to reason why Dooley was "bad" also has to apply to Fulmer, Kiffin, and Jones. Whatever logic you use to reason that Fulmer was "good" has to apply to Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones....etc.

    Popcorn Sutton

  • The logical nature of some Vol fans truly saddens me. That we continue to have those who defend Doly, despite the fact that mounting evidence is now coming out that he was driving our program into the ground. The truth of the matter is that year by year, the recruiting classes were ranking lower and lower. I’m sorry those of you who still support him, but that is a fact. Am I saying that Butch Jones is the answer? No, because I have no idea. We’ve yet to see him coach a game, but surely to goodness his in game coaching abilities will be better than Dooly’s, for they certainly couldn’t get much worse. If Green were a silent, then great, but in the end he didn’t choose to put on the orange, which drop him off my radar

    RustyVols77

    Rusty H

  • Rusty H said...

    The logical nature of some Vol fans truly saddens me. That we continue to have those who defend Doly, despite the fact that mounting evidence is now coming out that he was driving our program into the ground. The truth of the matter is that year by year, the recruiting classes were ranking lower and lower. I’m sorry those of you who still support him, but that is a fact. Am I saying that Butch Jones is the answer? No, because I have no idea. We’ve yet to see him coach a game, but surely to goodness his in game coaching abilities will be better than Dooly’s, for they certainly couldn’t get much worse. If Green were a silent, then great, but in the end he didn’t choose to put on the orange, which drop him off my radar

    logic saddens this guy... I would've never guessed.

    Popcorn Sutton

  • He was a silent to Chizik and Luper too. He was playing everyone.

    Tenn_Tiger ●

  • All three of Dooley's classes were higher ranked than this class... So, if I am following this logic correctly, Dooley sucked as a recruiter, and Butch will show us all next year. Except this year class was the lowest rated class in 5 years? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

    This post was edited by BigOrangeBeer on 2/10/2013 at 3:05 AM

    BigOrangeBeer ●

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    Albert Owens ●

  • BigOrangeBeer said...

    All three of Dooley's classes were higher ranked than this class... So, if I am following this logic correctly, Dooley sucked as a recruiter, and Butch will show us all next year. Except this year class was the lowest rated class in 5 years? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

    We had a class ranked in the 40s when Butch came in. The 40s.
    That had to be the lowest starting point I've ever seen for a UT class.
    But Jones last classes at Cincy ended up in the high 40s and low 50s. So logically that's where we should have been right?
    If there's a list of recruits somewhere that we would have pulled in to put us in the top 20 somewhere I'd like to see it. But I venture to say that it's an uphill battle for anyone when your left with a class of committed three stars and not a lot else.

    Rocklion2000

  • BigOrangeBeer said...

    All three of Dooley's classes were higher ranked than this class... So, if I am following this logic correctly, Dooley sucked as a recruiter, and Butch will show us all next year. Except this year class was the lowest rated class in 5 years? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

    you have to think though too we were trying to flip commits to UT as well instead of going after those that werent committed yet and if we could have flipped or committed maybe two or three recruits out of Lawson, Bell, Bellamy, Levenberry, Green, and Boyd we could be looking at a top 15 or top 20 class. but we couldnt and so it showed in our rankings next year will be alot different story and im just glad that our staff got in there with those guys and we ended up as a close second in each one of their recruitments

    copeforvols1022 ●

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