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Did Dooley do a good job?

  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Inconclusive. To answer just yes or no to this question is to make too much of a snap judgment. Too many things almost completely out of his control — injuries, Jackson's dismissal, etc. — went wrong this year to judge all that accurately how well he did.

    Obviously, the results weren't great, but there were reasons for that. We'll be in a better position to say how well he does next season.

    I agree with your approach for the most part but as you said he lost to UK, which was unexpected. It is the only game that he should have won that he lost. If you lose games that you are suppose to win, you are not doing a good job by definition.

    SRDC Vol

  • Unknown. This is a rebuilding PROCESS, not a quick fix. To make judgments after what Dooley himself called "Year One" implies that the team was much greater than the sum of its parts. They lost Hunter early in the Florida game, Leathers was out all year, and Bray missed six games. Add in the loss of Janzen Jackson, and there were a lot of obstacles in the way of this team.

    Something that's being overlooked post-UK is that this team was picked to finish 6-6 or 7-5 by most prognosticators, not 8-4 or better as some people seem to think was the only acceptable outcome. I would argue that the October stretch this year was actually worse for the team than last year, mainly because of the loss of Bray and the resulting QB shuffle. And when there's no consistency to the running game, you have to live (and die) by the pass.

    At this point, there is a lot to look forward to for next season. Having a healthy Bray and Hunter will push Da'Rick to be better (he played his best when Hunter was lining up across the field from him), and new additions to the OL, DL, RB corps, and secondary is going to make this team better. Dooley will also have a team almost entirely made up of his recruits. There might be a handful of Fulmer recruits still around due to redshirts, but Kiffin's one class is virtually extinct at UT. Next year is when the expectations should rise.

    I do expect some changes on the coaching staff next year, most likely on the OL. I think the "UT needs a RB coach" argument is flawed, because if the OL can't run protect, then no amount of RB coaching is going to make up for that. The OL regressed in the run game, and that's on Coach Hiestand.

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  • Not sure how anybody can say TBD or Inconclusive... The question was a one-year synopsis, based on what we saw on Saturdays.

    Maybe it should be rephrased. Did the offense improve after the injuries? Did the defense improve after the injuries/dismissals? Did Special Teams improve from last year? Those are the ultimate questions since youth and injuries are constantly toted as to why this team couldn't make a bowl.

    1. No. (Regressed in fact, thanks to a non-effective OL and run game).
    2. Yes
    3. Yes and No. Coverage and returns were better. Now kicking the ball was a different story.

    615Vol

  • If you want yes or no I will say YES. I doubt you could put any other coach in his place with what he had to work with and the adversity they had during the season and get much more. Next year will be the first year to judge him - always has been.

    VolBaller33

  • VolBaller33 said...

    If you want yes or no I will say YES. I doubt you could put any other coach in his place with what he had to work with and the adversity they had during the season and get much more. Next year will be the first year to judge him - always has been.

    Disagree. Improvement should always be expected on a game-to-game basis. Talent/no talent, depth/no depth, injuries/no injuries. I'm not talking wins. I'm talking in-game improvements and not seeing the same mistakes being made over and over by the same players and coaches.

    Now, I'll agree that judging him on how far the program has come overall is a bit too early. Sadly, his No. 1 priority is to restock the players and he seems (seems being the key word) to be doing a good job of that. Next year we can say if he has been successful in turning that priority into wins on Saturdays.

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  • 615Vol said...

    Disagree. Improvement should always be expected on a game-to-game basis. Talent/no talent, depth/no depth, injuries/no injuries. I'm not talking wins. I'm talking in-game improvements and not seeing the same mistakes being made over and over by the same players and coaches.

    Now, I'll agree that judging him on how far the program has come overall is a bit too early. Sadly, his No. 1 priority is to restock the players and he seems (seems being the key word) to be doing a good job of that. Next year we can say if he has been successful in turning that priority into wins on Saturdays.

    The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.

    VolBaller33

  • VolBaller33 said...

    The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.

    USC starts 3 Freshman LB's. They are just as young as us, and have no depth at all.

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    USC starts 3 Freshman LB's. They are just as young as us, and have no depth at all.

    Ok, now compare the schedules. Now throw in that they had an experienced QB play the entire year. Did they start freshmen or new players at DT, CB, S, TE and WR? No. And they played a much easier schedule

    VolBaller33

  • VolBaller33 said...

    The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.

    Agreed. We have to take into account that we are very young and are not expirenced at all. Just b/c we get some 4 and 5 star guys doesn't mean that they will translate into all americans their freshman year. Their bodies have to have time to adjust to this level. Then you have to take into consideration the injuries and nautral attrition. (kicked off team and what not)

    I will agree that some of the play calling was questionable and the oline play was aweful, but i'm trying to stay positive, b/c I love my VOLS.

    IMO CDD did a pretty good job with what he had to work with.

    ol dad

  • My 2 cents.

    1- Thought we would get one outta Fla, UGA, or SC.

    2- Lose your top 2 guys on offense and any team will struggle.

    3-Thank goodness we didn't lose to Vandy. They are still old school Vandy.

    4- CDD has cleaned up the program, imo.

    5- CDD and staff are recruiting outta their minds considering our record.

    6- Jury still out. If he pulls in a top class, he gets another 3-4 yrs. Staff changes if made, will be interesting to see. He is a smart guy and knows what GOOD looks like. Players and coaches.

    7- I will support CDD and all UT coaches until they fall flat on their face. He's not there yet!

    Go VOLS!

    Als Ghost

  • VolBaller33 said...

    The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.

    Ok, so essentially you are saying those type of players shouldn't have an expectation of improvement throughout the season?

    If so, then yes, you can't judge Dooley based on this season.

    I obviously think otherwise but fair enough on your opinion!

    615Vol

  • Al's ghost said...

    My 2 cents.

    1- Thought we would get one outta Fla, UGA, or SC.

    2- Lose your top 2 guys on offense and any team will struggle.

    3-Thank goodness we didn't lose to Vandy. They are still old school Vandy.

    4- CDD has cleaned up the program, imo.

    5- CDD and staff are recruiting outta their minds considering our record.

    6- Jury still out. If he pulls in a top class, he gets another 3-4 yrs. Staff changes if made, will be interesting to see. He is a smart guy and knows what GOOD looks like. Players and coaches.

    7- I will support CDD and all UT coaches until they fall flat on their face. He's not there yet!

    Go VOLS!

    Good post. agreed

    ol dad

  • 615Vol said...

    Ok, so essentially you are saying those type of players shouldn't have an expectation of improvement throughout the season?

    If so, then yes, you can't judge Dooley based on this season.

    I obviously think otherwise but fair enough on your opinion!

    I think you can expect freshmen to improve if they are nurtured and play in an established system. If you ask a large number of them to be key contributors on short notice and en masse then it's going to be a problem. But I think players like Randolph, maggitt, Johnson, among others improved throughout the year. But as a team they didn't come together and get better as a unit and that's because you can't ask that many first year players to win game against the schedule we had. KY is a different deal and I think we had a bunch of players literally quit in that game which is really the only thing I am mad about.

    This post was edited by VolBaller33 on 11/27/2011 at 7:50 PM

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  • VolBaller33 said...

    I think you can expect freshmen to improve if they are nurtured and play in an established system. If you ask a large number of them to be key contributors on short notice and en masse then it's going to be a problem. But I don't think you can argue that players like Randolph, maggitt, Johnson, among others improved throughout the year. But as a team they didn't come together and get better as a unit and that's because you can't ask that many first year players to win game against the schedule we had. KY is a different deal and I think we had a bunch of players literally quit in that game which is really the only thing I am mad about.

    See, that's what I truly don't get. Those players you mentioned that improved were all on defense. Outside of the ARK game, I couldn't complain much about the defensive freshmen. Improvement could easily be seen from game-to-game. But what on earth happened offensively? Maybe the freshmen didn't have a chance to improve since the OL was so bad in the run game (which is another problem all together). Maybe defense is easier to learn... Don't know. Just trying to figure it out.

    615Vol

  • 615Vol said...

    See, that's what I truly don't get. Those players you mentioned that improved were all on defense. Outside of the ARK game, I couldn't complain much about the defensive freshmen. Improvement could easily be seen from game-to-game. But what on earth happened offensively? Maybe the freshmen didn't have a chance to improve since the OL was so bad in the run game (which is another problem all together). Maybe defense is easier to learn... Don't know. Just trying to figure it out.

    IMO, aside from any freshmen issues, our offense was one dimensional from day one because our o line can't run block and we had a very average RB. Then we lost our 2 top play makers and became a zero dimensional offense. I equate it to baseball. Give me a 110 mph fastball with no other pitches, and I won't make it out of the 3rd inning. Now make my fastball 90 mph, and I can't get out of the first inning. But why we can't run block is a great mystery. Clifton thinks its scheme and not a bad o line coach. I'll defer to him

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  • VolBaller33 said...

    IMO, aside from any freshmen issues, our offense was one dimensional from day one because our o line can't run block and we had a very average RB. Then we lost our 2 top play makers and became a zero dimensional offense. I equate it to baseball. Give me a 110 mph fastball with no other pitches, and I won't make it out of the 3rd inning. Now make my fastball 90 mph, and I can't get out of the first inning. But why we can't run block is a great mystery. Clifton thinks its scheme and not a bad o line coach. I'll defer to him

    Seems reasonable enough.....

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  • NO.... heck NO.... HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • I am mildly amused by an OP who demands simple "Yes" or "No" answers, and then proceeds to debate the merits of the argument with people who say "Yes." It's a false dichotomy. Fact is, there are points to be made on both side, but neither position is as simple as yes or no.

    Oh, and by the way, Yes. whistling

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  • MiltonVol said...

    I am mildly amused by an OP who demands simple "Yes" or "No" answers, and then proceeds to debate the merits of the argument with people who say "Yes." It's a false dichotomy. Fact is, there are points to be made on both side, but neither position is as simple as yes or no.

    Oh, and by the way, Yes. whistling

    yes

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  • 615Vol said...

    Not sure how anybody can say TBD or Inconclusive... The question was a one-year synopsis, based on what we saw on Saturdays.

    Maybe it should be rephrased. Did the offense improve after the injuries? Did the defense improve after the injuries/dismissals? Did Special Teams improve from last year? Those are the ultimate questions since youth and injuries are constantly toted as to why this team couldn't make a bowl.

    1. No. (Regressed in fact, thanks to a non-effective OL and run game). 2. Yes 3. Yes and No. Coverage and returns were better. Now kicking the ball was a different story.

    1. How do you improve after you're star players are injured? Is Bray supposed to be better after not playing 5 weeks? No, arguably shouldn't have even been playing, but we don't have any depth so no one to plug in for those losses.

    2. Overall, pleased with defense, but that seems to be common among the losing seasons i remember.

    3. And I think special teams did improve, we actually found someone to catch punts without muffing them. Kicking game is the same.

    And someone else made a good point. His job includes recruiting, off field incidents, etc. So put me down for a big fat YES. He managed this dumpster fire of a season as best he could. Expected about 7 wins, then injuries made that unrealistic.

    This post was edited by TNjrod on 11/27/2011 at 9:24 PM

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    USC starts 3 Freshman LB's. They are just as young as us, and have no depth at all.

    That is not a valid comparison USC starts 3 freshman, sure. But every other starter is a JR or SR. We started what only 3 seniors? and 5 Jrs. Thats a ton of Freshman and Sophmores.

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