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Ryan Callahan said...
Inconclusive. To answer just yes or no to this question is to make too much of a snap judgment. Too many things almost completely out of his control — injuries, Jackson's dismissal, etc. — went wrong this year to judge all that accurately how well he did.
Obviously, the results weren't great, but there were reasons for that. We'll be in a better position to say how well he does next season.
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615Vol said...
Disagree. Improvement should always be expected on a game-to-game basis. Talent/no talent, depth/no depth, injuries/no injuries. I'm not talking wins. I'm talking in-game improvements and not seeing the same mistakes being made over and over by the same players and coaches.
Now, I'll agree that judging him on how far the program has come overall is a bit too early. Sadly, his No. 1 priority is to restock the players and he seems (seems being the key word) to be doing a good job of that. Next year we can say if he has been successful in turning that priority into wins on Saturdays.
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The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.
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The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.
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The problem is that you are dealing with freshmen whose heads are swimming and are in over their heads. That's why under normal circumstances kids redshirt. We had like 17 true freshmen playing significant minutes for us. Someone gets hurt and you are plugging in someone that's never played before. Do that at TE, C, CB, S, WR, QB, LB in the same season and you have a recipe for disaster. You literally don't have anyone with experience to mentor or pick up slack for the inexperienced, because EVERYONE is inexperienced.
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Al's ghost said...
My 2 cents.
1- Thought we would get one outta Fla, UGA, or SC.
2- Lose your top 2 guys on offense and any team will struggle.
3-Thank goodness we didn't lose to Vandy. They are still old school Vandy.
4- CDD has cleaned up the program, imo.
5- CDD and staff are recruiting outta their minds considering our record.
6- Jury still out. If he pulls in a top class, he gets another 3-4 yrs. Staff changes if made, will be interesting to see. He is a smart guy and knows what GOOD looks like. Players and coaches.
7- I will support CDD and all UT coaches until they fall flat on their face. He's not there yet!
Go VOLS!
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615Vol said...
Ok, so essentially you are saying those type of players shouldn't have an expectation of improvement throughout the season?
If so, then yes, you can't judge Dooley based on this season.
I obviously think otherwise but fair enough on your opinion!
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I think you can expect freshmen to improve if they are nurtured and play in an established system. If you ask a large number of them to be key contributors on short notice and en masse then it's going to be a problem. But I don't think you can argue that players like Randolph, maggitt, Johnson, among others improved throughout the year. But as a team they didn't come together and get better as a unit and that's because you can't ask that many first year players to win game against the schedule we had. KY is a different deal and I think we had a bunch of players literally quit in that game which is really the only thing I am mad about.
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615Vol said...
See, that's what I truly don't get. Those players you mentioned that improved were all on defense. Outside of the ARK game, I couldn't complain much about the defensive freshmen. Improvement could easily be seen from game-to-game. But what on earth happened offensively? Maybe the freshmen didn't have a chance to improve since the OL was so bad in the run game (which is another problem all together). Maybe defense is easier to learn... Don't know. Just trying to figure it out.
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IMO, aside from any freshmen issues, our offense was one dimensional from day one because our o line can't run block and we had a very average RB. Then we lost our 2 top play makers and became a zero dimensional offense. I equate it to baseball. Give me a 110 mph fastball with no other pitches, and I won't make it out of the 3rd inning. Now make my fastball 90 mph, and I can't get out of the first inning. But why we can't run block is a great mystery. Clifton thinks its scheme and not a bad o line coach. I'll defer to him
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MiltonVol said...
I am mildly amused by an OP who demands simple "Yes" or "No" answers, and then proceeds to debate the merits of the argument with people who say "Yes." It's a false dichotomy. Fact is, there are points to be made on both side, but neither position is as simple as yes or no.
Oh, and by the way, Yes.
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Not sure how anybody can say TBD or Inconclusive... The question was a one-year synopsis, based on what we saw on Saturdays.
Maybe it should be rephrased. Did the offense improve after the injuries? Did the defense improve after the injuries/dismissals? Did Special Teams improve from last year? Those are the ultimate questions since youth and injuries are constantly toted as to why this team couldn't make a bowl.
1. No. (Regressed in fact, thanks to a non-effective OL and run game). 2. Yes 3. Yes and No. Coverage and returns were better. Now kicking the ball was a different story.
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Did Dooley do a good job?