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Dooley: UT brass still supportive

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    rrpdmd

  • rrpdmd said...

    Glad to see I'm not alone. The hiring-firing roundabout will scare away every quality recruit, and the free-fall continues. But ask yourself this... If you are a 4 star recruit, would you even open the envelope from UT? I wouldn't.

    I'm trying to get a handle on the "firing round-a-bout" thought process. It seems that it has the built in assumption that things will improve if we just give the coach more time. He wasn't hired last March! I ask this in all sincerity, at what point, time frame or wins and losses, does the fear of coaching round-a-bout get overcome by the fact it just isn't objectively working? How many years is acceptable to this philosophy? I get it, if it improves great, but lets approach it from the other side, what if it doesn't, how long?

    VolinBama

  • There is only one solution that I can see:
    JOHN CHAVIS
    Does he resent us for the Fulmer thing? Even so, wouldn't he consider coming home to TN as the HIGHEST paid head coach in the NCAA? The perfect answer. Nobody can tell me we don' have $9M year. We just put up that $2B football castle!

    rrpdmd

  • It seems like some improvement in offense and the defense is much worse. That doesn't make us improved. Patterson, Bray, Riveria, Hunter all gone. So next year offense will be worse. Dooley will still be there with a harder schedule with that 500 yd a game defense and a decimated offense. We will set every school record for losing. Our 3 and few 4 stars won't beat 4 and 5 star teams with better coaching. We need a huge name guy that can get those guys and coach them. This is not working and I don't see why anyone thinks it is or is suddenly going to change. It is sad I wish Dooley was the guy he is not.

    hopey

  • (Sorry if this is a duplicate)

    There is one answer. It pleases everyone. JOHN CHAVIS !!
    Even if he is still mad over the Fulmer thing, surely he would come home as the HIGHEST paid coach in college football!
    AD has the cash to do it.

    rrpdmd

  • UTFPMD said...

    If bamboo hasn't sprouted in 3 years, how do you know it's ever going to sprout? Perhaps it's dead and will never produce anything.

    Never understood that analogy. Bamboo is one if the fastest growing plants in the world.

    wataugavol

  • VolinBama said...

    Define instantaneous, is it 3 years, 4 years or 5 years in your opinion? How about a simple litmus test of improving with wins and losses?

    and we haven't?

    Listen, we got whipped by the number 1 team in the country and it's okay. Alabama is good, real good. It's not the be all, end all of this football team. I agree this team has to get over the hump. They've got to find a way to make it happen.

    Dooley can't stop Bray from throwing an interception in the end zone. He can't force Hunter to make that catch towards the end of the first half. Players have to make plays....period.

    In my opinion, 5 years. Can't continue to have an unstable situation. He seems pleased to have his coaches in place. Now go recruit for those positions. People like stability.

    Would you go work for a company with an unstable management environment?

    kjohnson008

  • kjohnson008 said...

    and we haven't?

    Listen, we got whipped by the number 1 team in the country and it's okay. Alabama is good, real good. It's not the be all, end all of this football team. I agree this team has to get over the hump. They've got to find a way to make it happen.

    Dooley can't stop Bray from throwing an interception in the end zone. He can't force Hunter to make that catch towards the end of the first half. Players have to make plays....period.

    In my opinion, 5 years. Can't continue to have an unstable situation. He seems pleased to have his coaches in place. Now go recruit for those positions. People like stability.

    Would you go work for a company with an unstable management environment?

    You may be right in five years as reevaluation time. There seem to be some financial concerns for UT that haven't been there before. The question will be if this goes South over the next two years, who will want to come? My hunch is that TN is on course to be a 7-5 to 8-4 team with this current coach in place beyond five years, is that acceptable?

    VolinBama

  • kjohnson008 said...

    NOBODY....and I mean NOBODY is good enough for our fan base unless your name is Gruden, Cower, L. Smith, et al. Sure, let's fire Dooley and set the clock back another couple years. Then, when we're not happy with that coach, we'll fire him also and we'll start the process all over again.

    Instantaneous results. That's the world we live in. That's the mentality of sports. That's the mentality of today's UT fan.

    Having been a volnut since the mid-50's, I agree. There have been periods of greatness and doldrums over the decades, but until the past six or eight years, I haven't seen the degree of instability, carping and lack of loyalty among the Vol nation. You hit the nail on the head, instant gratification, in spite of key injuries, defections to a low life coach and playing underclassmen. It is an insult to the players and coaches to suggest a firing of the head coach when he hasn't even filled out his team. Sure, spend $5 million to buy out Dooley, then spend another $5 million a year to hire a new one who will demand an even bigger buyout due to our reputation of dumping coaches. Dumb.

    bbramlett

  • vols4life1969 said...

    can we beat vandy?can we upset south c..?those 2 there could easy be 0-2..by the same token we could beat vandy& south c...florida got lucky yesterday steve's players was out all week with the flu
    and some injurys.now we got to travel up there and play them after a loss to florida where we played them tougher then south c did which gives me hope we could upset them and if we do ,that should carry over to be enough to beat a pretty good vandy team.then we should win out.
    but will that happen with this team?

    I agree, a SC win in Oct, should be enough in itself, outside of collapse in Nov, to give Dooley another season. Realistically in Nov, Vandy is the toughest game. Ky is awful and Missouri is different team on the road, but they will score a lot against our D.

    VolinBama

  • hackburgman said...

    I'm really starting to worry that we may never get back to where we used to be cause of our lack of instate talent.Everytime I see colorado I wonder if that's gonna be us. Not that's the buffs are on our level just I remember when they were good. Thoughts?

    you say lack of instate talent but it sure is funny how just about every other SEC team has players from Tennessee and most of em look pretty damn good. We need to start looking at the instate talent and getting more of it on the team.

    cjones1502

  • I know ill probably get fried for this but my mind is kind of split on this one. On one hand I like dooley. I think he is concerned about the overall character of the players and the program and I believe he is truly trying to do it the right way especially with things like the vfl program. But I also look at teams like vandy who haven't had Franklin in place for long and seem to be dramatically improved. Same state as us and have been bottom feeders for far longer than us yet I don't know of Tennessee is looking forward to that game this year. Thoughts anyone?

    jkfoxman

  • VolinBama said...

    I agree, a SC win in Oct, should be enough in itself, outside of collapse in Nov, to give Dooley another season. Realistically in Nov, Vandy is the toughest game. Ky is awful and Missouri is different team on the road, but they will score a lot against our D.

    Unfortunately, UT makes other teams look very good, especially those teams that score points. The Mizzou game could be a shootout. I have no confidence that Tennessee will stop them. If the UT offense sputters, as it typically does against teams who score first, then Mizzou will probably take it. Mizzou is playing in a new league, with nothing to lose because everyone expected them to struggle in the SEC. UT, late in this season, looks like it has a defeatist mentality as a whole, especially under center. That does not bode well for the Vols.

    Of course, giving Worley a chance to play could shake everything up and give Bray a chance to have a sober look in the mirror. Despite his level of talent, he needs to develop his character. That takes tapping into inner strength. Often people don't do that until their outer strength is exposed as just that: outer strength and lack of character.

    Inner strength is the difference between talented players and true leaders.

    VolBol

  • Last nights game is not the reason any of us are frustrated. If we had finished against MSU this thread probably doesn't exist. I see a lack of hunger from the players the second they get behind and I see several players who look lost more often than not on defense.

    I'm not crying for wins right away but it would be nice to see a team compete a little better on the Third Saturday in October at Neyland.

    I may be off track but how many unnecessary roughness type penalties have we gotten this year? If I cared that I was losing all my big games I would probably take it out on someone at some point. I havent seen anyone just light up a guy to vent frustration. i just don't see the hunger to win from this team. If the players had the same passion for UT as our fan base they might look different on the field.

    WKU_Vol

  • I am a UT fan. However, most of the fans including the stooges on the Sports Animal do not have a mentallity. Dooley is a young coach. Saban at his first position as head coach of Michigan State took six years to turn that program around. Majors at Tennessee took another six years to get the vols in a position of dominance in the SEC. Don't say that it was thirty years ago because even thirty years ago the fans wanted to fire Majors. The money may have been smaller but was equivalent to what the coaches are making now. The difference is mentality and greed. UT has been so greedy soaking people for donations to the athletic department in addition to ticket prices which have increased significantly over the years. Get rid of the "donations" and maybe you will sell more tickets.
    Most of Tennessee fans are not alumni. When you look at a program it is not just winning football games. It is inegrity. Here you have a coach who took over an out house full of problems and who has the academic and personal integrity to win now coaches of Bobby Petrino (who quit on the Atlanta Falcons in the middle of the season) and Lane Kiffin can only read about. Contrast that with a coach who cared more about his team and who within one day of surgery was back trying to help that team. And who also traveled with his team and did not take pain killers in order to help them .
    So for those who do not understand anything about class and integrity you can take a lesson from Dooley. Also, you can take a lesson from a man who inherited very little talent and has upgraded it significantly. Finally, Tyler Bray needs to sit. He is imatture and does not have the drive and intensity to win. Unless you are competitive you will never had the fight to win the close games. Hunter is playing not to get hurt but in doing so his NFL stock has been diminished. Bray stock has been significantly diminished. Patterson is a player and with all of his effort he will be gone. I just wish the other two had his drive and compassion.

    NC Vols

    VolsNC

  • I was patient with Dooley and said I would not judge him until this year. Well, I've seen enough. Clay Travis was right all along. UT's facilities alone could get 3 star recruits. We need a coach that can get the blue chips and coach them. Two and a half years IS long enough to figure out if angry can coach. The last 3 weeks has proven that Dooley is not ready. We're going to be battling Arkansas and Auburn for a big time hire. The sooner we start, the better our chances.

    volborn

  • I was patient with Dooley and said I would not judge him until this year. Well, I've seen enough. Clay Travis was right all along. UT's facilities alone could get 3 star recruits. We need a coach that can get the blue chips and coach them. Two and a half years IS long enough to figure out if angry can coach. The last 3 weeks has proven that Dooley is not ready. We're going to be battling Arkansas and Auburn for a big time hire. The sooner we start, the better our chances.

    volborn

  • i agree, when u are rebuilding u win at least some sec games against rank teams.thats why its rebuilding. dooley has won nothing. time to go.

    This post was edited by ratm_329 on 10/21/2012 at 1:03 PM

    ratm_329

  • rrpdmd said...

    Dooley must go, right? But then, we'd be where we were 3 yrs ago, less the Kiffin exodus. But coachless for the 3rd time in 5 years. And who's waiting in line to take over the program? Nobody will be good enough for us, short of a Saban-esque figure. 3 in 5 years, when we desperately need stability for recruiting! Dooley must go. I believe that. But could we possibly be worse off when we fire him?? Thoughts please.

    Dooley needs to stay for stability, but Sanseri and Chaney need to go. The defense and play calling are terrible. There is no quick fix until some more 4-5 star talent can be persuaded to come to UT. I still say the Vols should recruit more of the good northern players who are going to Wisc. Notre Dame, Michigan etc. I believe some of these athletes would love to compete in the SEC.

    fasteddy41

  • hopey said...

    It seems like some improvement in offense and the defense is much worse. That doesn't make us improved. Patterson, Bray, Riveria, Hunter all gone. So next year offense will be worse. Dooley will still be there with a harder schedule with that 500 yd a game defense and a decimated offense. We will set every school record for losing. Our 3 and few 4 stars won't beat 4 and 5 star teams with better coaching. We need a huge name guy that can get those guys and coach them. This is not working and I don't see why anyone thinks it is or is suddenly going to change. It is sad I wish Dooley was the guy he is not.

    "Our 3 and few 4 stars won't beat 4 and 5 star teams with better coaching." That pretty much sums up my outlook for this situation. Too bad, because I really like Dooley. There's just no evidence of him being a good coach, sadly. Can't believe I'm saying this, but bring back Fulmer (contingent upon him bringing in some excellent coordinators, especially Chavis, maybe Peyton Manning at OC if he retires from the NFL... one can dream...)

    PdxVol

  • VolinBama said...

    Define instantaneous, is it 3 years, 4 years or 5 years in your opinion? How about a simple litmus test of improving with wins and losses?

    Right now, we're at 2.5 yrs into rebuilding and people were even calling for his head last year, I'd say that's a fan base looking for instant results! Nobody in the fan base likes to see games against our hated rival like last night. But it's a rebuilding process and it's difficulty is magnified when you're top rivals are #1 and #2 currently.

    ChicagoUTVol

  • wataugavol said...

    Never understood that analogy. Bamboo is one if the fastest growing plants in the world.

    This guy can explain it... Dooley got that analogy from a guy named Greg Bell, who wrote a motivational book called "Water the Bamboo". http://youtu.be/V4DUcHJ8qXs

    This post was edited by PdxVol on 10/21/2012 at 2:41 PM

    PdxVol

  • This is in response to a question that was asked about when would the time be right to replace our coach. I messed up and didn't respond in the area the question was asked

    good question. haven't seen much in the past to address the stance of giving Coach Dooley more time to right the ship except the one for stability of the program.. I guess you could say that recruits might not want to come because a of a new coach but yet they might be more likely to come if the new hire was a definite upgrade. But a recruit might not come now because of the uncertainty of our coach's job security.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by gwbask on 10/21/2012 at 3:23 PM

    gwbask

  • kjohnson008 said...

    and we haven't?

    Listen, we got whipped by the number 1 team in the country and it's okay. Alabama is good, real good. It's not the be all, end all of this football team. I agree this team has to get over the hump. They've got to find a way to make it happen.

    Dooley can't stop Bray from throwing an interception in the end zone. He can't force Hunter to make that catch towards the end of the first half. Players have to make plays....period.

    In my opinion, 5 years. Can't continue to have an unstable situation. He seems pleased to have his coaches in place. Now go recruit for those positions. People like stability.

    Would you go work for a company with an unstable management environment?

    No I might not want to work for an unstable company but I sure as heck wouldn't want to work for a company with a losing record with not alot of substancial signs of improvement. To keep any coach because your number 1 concern is stability isn't the direction I would like to see my favorite team aspire to. #1 concern should be success . Sad to say but success in the SEC is based on your record.

    gwbask

  • ChicagoUTVol said...

    Right now, we're at 2.5 yrs into rebuilding and people were even calling for his head last year, I'd say that's a fan base looking for instant results! Nobody in the fan base likes to see games against our hated rival like last night. But it's a rebuilding process and it's difficulty is magnified when you're top rivals are #1 and #2 currently.

    We don't want instantaneous results we just some results art some point and 1-11 in the SEC isn't coming close

    GoVols2011