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Five answers: Vols 55, Trojans 48

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    The govols247 staff listed five of the most crucial questions UT had to answer in Saturday's home game against Troy. Here’s how UT answered them in a wild, 55-48 win.

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  • so, what is the answer on D? This defense is historically bad, beyond what you should see from a scheme change. Other teams change coaches and scheme and have less talent and have more success than our D..I have said before, I never played or coached so, though I know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3 and between zone and man, I'm not sophisticated enough to know if our problems are scheme related, play call related, talent or coaching. I'm sure the easy answer is "all of the above", but I'm really looking for a more specific and serious discussion about such a glaring and, quite frankly, embarrassing, issue.

    frostyvol

  • I would like to know the answer to that question as well and so would our coaching staff. I think our biggest problem is just overall talent. And I dont think sunseri is ready to call defense in the SEC. It seems like his fix for everything is keep blitzing, and if it still ain't working just blitz more people. But I think our major issue is just overall talent and team speed on defense.

    endb3309

  • I think the 2 big issues are: outside linebackers just can't control the edge and our dbs are just not good. I am not sure the reason for that second one. I think someone explained it well earlier this year, now you see why Wilcox was so conservative. Vols need a lot of help defensively lets see if recruiting addresses that.

    jtvols

  • endb3309 said...

    I would like to know the answer to that question as well and so would our coaching staff. I think our biggest problem is just overall talent. And I dont think sunseri is ready to call defense in the SEC. It seems like his fix for everything is keep blitzing, and if it still ain't working just blitz more people. But I think our major issue is just overall talent and team speed on defense.

    I totally agree that Sunseri seems to lack something needed for a DC. Obviously, he did great things with Alabama's LB's, but that has not translated. I cannot accept the speed explanation though. Sure, we are not all that fast back there, but that does not account for gaping holes, blown assignments, and misalignment. These are the results of a defense that is both confused (poorly prepared) and hanging their heads (poorly prepared).

    Some have said that the D has, on the majority, given up on this season. I did not agree with that until yesterday. They seemed to wake up when the game came down to the wire and they were almost exposed by Troy at homecoming (ouch). But they lack the scheme AND they lack the intensity.

    Both of these are on the coaches. A lack of speed alone does not account for a defense that performed the worst in UT history. My god, I still cannot believe they played THAT badly. Wow.

    VolBol

  • I would like to know the answer to that question as well and so would our coaching staff. I think our biggest problem is just overall talent. And I dont think sunseri is ready to call defense in the SEC. It seems like his fix for everything is keep blitzing, and if it still ain't working just blitz more people. But I think our major issue is just overall talent and team speed on defense.

    endb3309

  • My take on the defense is Sal got in over his head. Why do you think Alabama's defense is so good? If the system Saben runs was simple every coach in the country would have already figured out how to exploit it or would have installed it themselves. This is a very complicated system and has to have some remarkable athletes to execute. Defenders not being in the right gaps, d-linemen getting their hands up in passing lanes, communication is huge. Look at how many ball Bray had batted when we played bama, has anyone noticed how many passes Sentimore has batted. He was coached that way during his time with Bama. All you position groups have to be on the same page on each play and that isn't happening. I'm like Dooley, it's not just one thing that's causing this it's a multitude of things. Don't get me wrong A.J has been a great linebacker and our best player on defense but he wasent even recruited by Bama, Georgia or any of them. I guess what I'm saying is your not going to execute that system with 3* talent.

    dirtyred

  • I keep hearing them say they don't get the calls in or they didn't execute. They've claimed the same problems all year but yet they still make the same mistakes over and over

    endb3309

  • What I couldn't understand is they ran the same draw play a dozen times yesterday and we never stopped it any where near the line of scrimmage. The center would come out and get in front of AJ and whichever way AJ went the back would cut the other way and run by all our defenders while their still chasing receivers. If Troy would have been smart they should have went 5 wide set and run all go routes and run the draw, we wouldn't have known until he reached the endzone.

    dirtyred

  • frostyvol said...

    so, what is the answer on D? This defense is historically bad, beyond what you should see from a scheme change. Other teams change coaches and scheme and have less talent and have more success than our D..I have said before, I never played or coached so, though I know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3 and between zone and man, I'm not sophisticated enough to know if our problems are scheme related, play call related, talent or coaching. I'm sure the easy answer is "all of the above", but I'm really looking for a more specific and serious discussion about such a glaring and, quite frankly, embarrassing, issue.

    I can 't say for sure of course, but I do have a theory.
    I'll throw it out and see what ya'll think.
    The corners and safety's have seperate position coaches. I think this contributes to the break-downs in communication. Mostly I think neither the LBs or the CBs know whether the safetys are going to be in run support or deep coverage. An example was when (I think it was PW) was beat at the line by a receiver running past him at the snap because he was looking back at the safety still trying to find out if he had help over the top when the ball was snapped. He was beat at the line and had no chance to recover.
    Now, I don't know whether the safeties themselves don't know where they're supposed to be or if they just aren't communicating it to everyone else, but I think if the safetys and corners had the same coach it could at the least cut down on the general confusion.
    I've seen better organized 'Chinese Fire Drills' than what our secondary looks like sometimes.
    Just a theory.
    Any thoughts?argue

    Lostball

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  • "The kind of miscommunication or missed assignment you described happens all the time in football,...."

    Well, it certainly happens all the time in our defense, anyway

    "Even the best defenses screw up those types of plays from time to time."

    Yes they do, but our defense screws them up pretty much ALL the time. Yesterday to the tune of 721 yards allowed to a good, but certainly not great offense.

    What do you think IS causing the problem?

    Lostball

  • dirtyred said...

    My take on the defense is Sal got in over his head. Why do you think Alabama's defense is so good? If the system Saben runs was simple every coach in the country would have already figured out how to exploit it or would have installed it themselves. This is a very complicated system and has to have some remarkable athletes to execute. Defenders not being in the right gaps, d-linemen getting their hands up in passing lanes, communication is huge. Look at how many ball Bray had batted when we played bama, has anyone noticed how many passes Sentimore has batted. He was coached that way during his time with Bama. All you position groups have to be on the same page on each play and that isn't happening. I'm like Dooley, it's not just one thing that's causing this it's a multitude of things. Don't get me wrong A.J has been a great linebacker and our best player on defense but he wasent even recruited by Bama, Georgia or any of them. I guess what I'm saying is your not going to execute that system with 3* talent.

    I think you nailed it. Sal is in over his head and why wouldn't he be as it's his first year as a DC. Being an outside LB coach doesn't encompass all that is needed to be a great DC. AND, we don't have the talent at some positions to run this complex a D (Bama does), plus the added layer of the players trying to learn a new system. All in all, a combination of things that result in what we're seeing on the field. I really think Dooley HAS to tell Sal and the staff "This is not working and we have to change it right now!" or we won't beat Mizzou or Vandy. What we change I'm not knowledgeable enough to know, but this isn't working and we need to make some BIG changes IMO.

    The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We must change something now!

    This post was edited by NashvilleVol87 on 11/4/2012 at 2:22 PM

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  • Wes as an impartial observer what are your thoughts ? Should I be concerned that our head coach seems to not have the ability to have seen that last years defense was schemed and coached very, very well to the talent level that was there ? Am I wrong to think maybe Dooley should have been able to see that and work with a young coach who was really doing well, who seemed to believe that so strongly he made a lateral move ? Should I be concerned that we have a coach who hasn't won a game that he should'nt have won in 3 years ? Should I think his recruiting is just ok compared to the teams he plays, and will get tougher when recruits see more results of his coaching ? Is it ok to think we could do better and it is only going to get worse if we don't make a change ?

    hopey

  • Ryan Callahan said...

    I know people don't like hearing this, because people want to place the blame on one thing, but it really is just a combination of problems. The front seven is the most talented part of UT's defense, but the guys in the front seven struggle to get off blocks all the time. They can't consistently get any pressure on opposing quarterbacks. When that happens, the secondary is exposed because it's not really good enough to cover opposing receivers for more than a few seconds — and most secondaries aren't good enough to do that, really, but UT's secondary really isn't playing well right now.

    Part of the problem is coaching, I'm sure, but you can't ignore the fact that talent, poor execution and mental mistakes — remember, UT started two true freshmen in the secondary yesterday, and that was a response to upperclassmen such as Prentiss Waggner not playing as well as they're capable of playing — also are playing major roles in the defense's struggles. There are a number of problems, and I'm not sure they all can be fixed this late in the season.

    Ryan, what I can't get is why people can't get this. Why in the flip do people NOT like hearing this?

    When your D stinks this badly, historically badly, isn't it crystal clear that it's EVERYTHING? That the problem is Dooley, Sunseri, each and every position coach on defense, the defensive line, the linebackers, the corners, and the safeties? That we can't defend either the run or the pass? That we can't cover in either man or zone? That we can't cover if we drop 8, and we can't get to the QB if we rush 8? That we can't contain on the perimeter, and that we get gashed up the gut? That we can't get lined up right? That we can't make the play, even when we are in position? That sometimes it's a lack of strength, sometimes a lack of speed, and sometimes, we have plenty of both but we don't play fundamentally sound? That our atleticism fails us when we play sound and smart, but we play dumber than gump, even when we're plenty talented to defend a given play?

    This is a defense that doesn't do ANYTHING really well, and thus, EVERYTHING is the problem.

    Dooley continues to say what frustrates him the most is playing well enough to get the opposing offense in 3rd and long, but then give up the big play over and over again. He, understandably, asks how we can play that well for two plays where the offense has an advantage, and then screw it up when WE are supposed to have the advantage. Today, my lovely wife, who has been the biggest Dooley supporter in the world not named Dooley until yesterday, said she thought we must just be getting lucky on those first and 2d downs, and/or the opposition is shooting themselves in the foot.

    At least this defnse yesterday became consistent--consistently awful. Players seemed frustrated with coaches, and some coaches looked like they wanted a stick to beat some sense into the players' heads. The kids may not be turning on each other, but they may have already turned on the defensive staff. If so, it's a toxic situation that can only get worse.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by doberVol on 11/4/2012 at 3:52 PM

    "Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat." Sir Robin's Minstrels.

    doberVol