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Golden is the Main Problem With This Team, imo.

  • When you can't guard your position, turn the ball over multiple times at crucial times, are basically no threat to score, and you're the point guard, it's bad news for your team. What looked to be a promising year for Golden has turned out to him being the biggest reason this team currently sucks. Inability to control dribble penetration from the point guard will destroy your half-court defense; that's one of the main problems I currently see. Golden might be able to make up for it when he's scoring 20+ but not when he's scoring 7 or 8. I'd also add that casually jogging up the floor with 35 seconds to go was about the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a basketball game.

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    LawVol13

  • I thought he was Tennessee's best player.. shows how little I know about basketball

    volfan28

  • I think he's "A" problem, not "the" problem. He's had a rough stretch of games. But he's not the problem. He had some pretty bad turnovers last night. No disputing that. But he's also averaging 6 assists per game.

    His defense has been appallingly bad. Especially given how much Martin praised his defense in the preseason.

    NYC Vol ●

  • NYC Vol said...

    I think he's "A" problem, not "the" problem. He's had a rough stretch of games. But he's not the problem. He had some pretty bad turnovers last night. No disputing that. But he's also averaging 6 assists per game.

    His defense has been appallingly bad. Especially given how much Martin praised his defense in the preseason.

    I think he offsets the assists with unforced turnovers and his absolutely atrocious onball defense. He's a liability at this point, and the main one, imo. When you run a motion offense, and you have pathetic point guard play, that's a recipe for disaster. If Golden was playing at a level even remotely resembling what he looked like early in the year, we'd have beaten Memphis, AP, C of C without question.

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  • LawVol13 said...

    When you can't guard your position, turn the ball over multiple times at crucial times, are basically no threat to score, and you're the point guard, it's bad news for your team. What looked to be a promising year for Golden has turned out to him being the biggest reason this team currently sucks. Inability to control dribble penetration from the point guard will destroy your half-court defense; that's one of the main problems I currently see. Golden might be able to make up for it when he's scoring 20+ but not when he's scoring 7 or 8. I'd also add that casually jogging up the floor with 35 seconds to go was about the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a basketball game.

    It's hard to argue with that but special mention must be given to the complete lack of effort on the defensive end by the big men. Time and time again they let smaller players drive unchallenged to the basket and make zero effort to block out and go for a rebound. I would call us soft in the middle but you have to at least make an effort to be judged as soft.

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  • RunThruThe T said...

    It's hard to argue with that but special mention must be given to the complete lack of effort on the defensive end by the big men. Time and time again they let smaller players drive unchallenged to the basket and make zero effort to block out and go for a rebound. I would call us soft in the middle but you have to at least make an effort to be judged as soft.

    If Golden wasn't getting broken down from the top of the key nearly every possession, the big men wouldn't be put in that situation. Essentially, with man to man defense it works like this: if you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates the ability to rotate effectively; therefore, when the guard comes flying down the lane, as you describe, the post is left with a choice to make. 1) He can go over and cut off the drive and leave his man uncovered; or 2) he can try to play halfway between his man and the driver and hope he can get a block at the last second. If you choose option #1, the guard dishes it off to the post's man he just left, and it's an uncontested dunk. If he chooses #2, he better be a good leaper and block that shot. We don't have anyone with that ability. Normal man to man defense is designed to force dribble penetration into your help; this allows for proper rotation, so if a post is forced to come over and help, the backside guard can rotate on the man the post just left. When you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates your ability to rotate and you're stuck in a no-win situation. That's why Golden's lack of on-ball defense is an absolute killer for us.

    This post was edited by LawVol13 on 12/15/2011 at 1:06 PM

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  • We could make about a dozen of these threads with __________ is the problem with the team.

    Accurate that Golden hasn't played up to expectations and up to what the team requires of him in order for the team to be successful. However, there is absolutely no reason this cannot get better as the year goes on. I would bet they take some major strides as the players continue learning the system from the new staff.

    And, in general, I just don't like calling out players like this thread is doing.

    This post was edited by RunVol2 on 12/15/2011 at 1:07 PM

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  • RunVol2 said...

    And, in general, I just don't like calling out players like this thread is doing.

    No, it's simply stating what I think the main issue with this team is. I don't think Golden sucks, but his play right now is killing his team. I think that's just a fact. Sorry if that bothers you.

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  • LawVol13 said...

    No, it's simply stating what I think the main issue with this team is. I don't think Golden sucks, but his play right now is killing his team. I think that's just a fact. Sorry if that bothers you.

    True. Just a fine line we're toeing in calling out players

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  • LawVol13 said...

    If Golden wasn't getting broken down from the top of the key nearly every possession, the big men wouldn't be put in that situation. Essentially, with man to man defense it works like this: if you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates the ability to rotate effectively; therefore, when the guard comes flying down the lane, as you describe, the post is left with a choice to make. 1) He can go over and cut off the drive and leave his man uncovered; or 2) he can try to play halfway between his man and the driver and hope he can get a block at the last second. If you choose option #1, the guard dishes it off to the post's man he just left, and it's an uncontested dunk. If he chooses #2, he better be a good leaper and block that shot. We don't have anyone with that ability. Normal man to man defense is designed to force dribble penetration into your help; this allows for proper rotation, so if a post is forced to come over and help, the backside guard can rotate on the man the post just left. When you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates your ability to rotate and you're stuck in a no-win situation. That's why Golden's lack of on-ball defense is an absolute killer for us.

    Thank you for the patronizing response you arrogant jerk. Don't bother responding to any more of my posts as I have put you on ignore.

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  • RunThruThe T said...

    Thank you for the patronizing response you arrogant jerk. Don't bother responding to any more of my posts as I have put you on ignore.

    Ouch. Sensitive much?

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  • LawVol13 said...

    If Golden wasn't getting broken down from the top of the key nearly every possession, the big men wouldn't be put in that situation. Essentially, with man to man defense it works like this: if you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates the ability to rotate effectively; therefore, when the guard comes flying down the lane, as you describe, the post is left with a choice to make. 1) He can go over and cut off the drive and leave his man uncovered; or 2) he can try to play halfway between his man and the driver and hope he can get a block at the last second. If you choose option #1, the guard dishes it off to the post's man he just left, and it's an uncontested dunk. If he chooses #2, he better be a good leaper and block that shot. We don't have anyone with that ability. Normal man to man defense is designed to force dribble penetration into your help; this allows for proper rotation, so if a post is forced to come over and help, the backside guard can rotate on the man the post just left. When you get broken down from the top of the key, it eliminates your ability to rotate and you're stuck in a no-win situation. That's why Golden's lack of on-ball defense is an absolute killer for us.

    I completely agree. If you go back to some of the early games we were winning or competitive in, the bad dribble penetration defense was going on then. The difference now is we are not scoring like we were then and so we are losing. Teams have seen the film and have adjusted the way they play us.IMHO

    tnbear66 ●

  • tnbear66 said...

    I completely agree. If you go back to some of the early games we were winning or competitive in, the bad dribble penetration defense was going on then. The difference now is we are not scoring like we were then and so we are losing. Teams have seen the film and have adjusted the way they play us.IMHO

    Exactly, tnbear. It was ok when Golden was putting up 20+ points a game and getting 10 assists, but when he's not, the lack of defense is really exposed.

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    LawVol13

  • RunThruThe T said...

    Thank you for the patronizing response you arrogant jerk. Don't bother responding to any more of my posts as I have put you on ignore.

    Alright, guys, let's play nice. No need to get into name-calling.

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    Ryan Callahan ●

  • LawVol13,

    It says you have private messaging blocked, so I have to say this on the board instead of privately.

    Please be more considerate of other posters and refrain from name-calling, insulting, etc. We have received several private messages about your tone/attitude.

    We want this site to grow, but not at the expense of the culture we've built and are building here.

    If you want to call people names, insult people or be condescending/confrontational there are plenty of places out there for you to do that. Please don't do it here.

    Thanks for your consideration.

    -Kevin

    Kevin Ryan

  • Kevin Ryan said...

    LawVol13,

    It says you have private messaging blocked, so I have to say this on the board instead of privately.

    Please be more considerate of other posters and refrain from name-calling, insulting, etc. We have received several private messages about your tone/attitude.

    We want this site to grow, but not at the expense of the culture we've built and are building here.

    If you want to call people names, insult people or be condescending/confrontational there are plenty of places out there for you to do that. Please don't do it here.

    Thanks for your consideration.

    -Kevin

    What are you talking about? I neither insulted anyone nor called anyone a name. Is talking basketball now insulting someone? I did absolutely nothing in this thread. This is totally ridiculous. Someone calls me an arrogant jerk and I get attacked by the mods. I find that very interesting, Kevin.

    This post was edited by LawVol13 on 12/15/2011 at 5:05 PM

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    LawVol13

  • Didn't say it was in this thread.

    I just saw you posted in this thread and figured you'd see my response. Like I said, I would have done this in a private message but apparantly you have them blocked. Tried in IE and Firefox.

    Thanks for understanding.

    Kevin Ryan

  • Kevin Ryan said...

    Didn't say it was in this thread.

    I just saw you posted in this thread and figured you'd see my response. Like I said, I would have done this in a private message but apparantly you have them blocked. Tried in IE and Firefox.

    Thanks for understanding.

    Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. The only person I have called a name in my entire time here is volfan_28 after he hurled multiple profanity laced insults at me. Shockingly, he didn't get attacked by the mods; only I did. Instead of just blindly following what someone sends you in a PM, just read what I post. I literally have not attacked, insulted, or called anyone a name other than volfan_28. And, I haven't blocked PMs. I don't even know how to send one.

    This post was edited by LawVol13 on 12/15/2011 at 5:14 PM

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    LawVol13

  • Again, I handle things like this with private messaging but can't do that here.

    If you click on the white envelope in my avatar you should be able to send me a private message. Perhaps if you send me one that will allow me to respond to you.

    Kevin Ryan

  • Just got a private message from you. Thanks!

    Now we can take this off the board.

    Kevin Ryan

  • Through my years of watching UT basketball, I've noticed that UT has ALWAYS played at the level of their opponent. I feel like they let up against less talented teams and press the gas down against tougher teams. I completely agree that Golden is "A" problem. And I agree that it is somewhat exceptable when he is scoring 20+, but now that he is comitting, IMO, some of the most ridiculous turnovers and scoring 6 a game he's killing us. Washpun is a good defender but by no means is a good point guard...yet. He doesn't have much scoring ability so we're absent at point guard almost. Even when Trey was playing good our offense seems stagnant. It's almost as if they have no insentive to be there. I have faith in coach Martin and this team, but the point guard play has to improve or else we're done. It's like having a football team with an awful quarterback.

    Voldog69

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