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Hart should be fired, but not for the reason you think.

  • Looking at this situation one of two things happened.

    1) Gruden was a real possibility but we weren't willing to do what it took to make it happen.

    2) Gruden was never realistic.

    No matter which of those cases is correct, Dave Hart has completely botched the situation. If it was one, he went into the negotiations without a firm commitment to making it happen and wasted everyone's time. If it was two, he allowed the rumors to linger so long and for people with real connections to the program to keep talking about it like it was possible that now whoever we hire it seems like a major let down. There is major egg on the face of this program today. The fans look like a bunch of maniacal idiots. The media looks like they don't know what the hell they are reporting. And Hart has set up our new coach to be compared to someone who, one way or another, we were never going to get. It is a failure on multiple levels that should never have been allowed to happen.

    I will support the next coach no matter who he is, but this is a colossal screw-up and we should all be somewhat embarrassed, and that is Dave Hart's responsibility.

    JPSke

  • JPSke said...

    Looking at this situation one of two things happened.

    1) Gruden was a real possibility but we weren't willing to do what it took to make it happen.

    2) Gruden was never realistic.

    No matter which of those cases is correct, Dave Hart has completely botched the situation. If it was one, he went into the negotiations without a firm commitment to making it happen and wasted everyone's time. If it was two, he allowed the rumors to linger so long and for people with real connections to the program to keep talking about it like it was possible that now whoever we hire it seems like a major let down. There is major egg on the face of this program today. The fans look like a bunch of maniacal idiots. The media looks like they don't know what the hell they are reporting. And Hart has set up our new coach to be compared to someone who, one way or another, we were never going to get. It is a failure on multiple levels that should never have been allowed to happen.

    I will support the next coach no matter who he is, but this is a colossal screw-up and we should all be somewhat embarrassed, and that is Dave Hart's responsibility.

    We haven't even hired a coach yet.....

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    DownTheField

  • DownTheField said...

    We haven't even hired a coach yet.....

    He can hire the best coach available, but he still put this program through needless embarrassment and set up the next coach for unnecessary difficulty. If we weren't going to do what it took to get Gruden or he wasn't a realistic possibility this should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    JPSke

  • JPSke said...

    He can hire the best coach available, but he still put this program through needless embarrassment and set up the next coach for unnecessary difficulty. If we weren't going to do what it took to get Gruden or he wasn't a realistic possibility this should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    I get what you're saying, but we still don't know all the facts.

    It could also be possible that there was serious mutual interest but it just fell through. I mean, the situation wasn't shot down nearly as early as last time.
    I'm willing to give Hart the benefit of the doubt and see what he does from here on out.

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  • I agree that Hart blew it if either of these scenarios is true.

    That said, it's conceivable that Gruden showed interest until earlier this week when he finally said "thanks, but no thanks," regardless of what we were willing to offer.

    If Gruden truly decided after some thought that the college game isn't where he belongs, it's not really on Hart.

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  • The only people who put the university through needless embarrassment was US. Dave Hart...Specifically Dave Hart never said a word about Jon Gruden at all. With good reason because of US. We took a bunch of unverified rumors, Speculation, and did what FANS do with something like this. Blow it up. Pouring gas on a fire only makes for a bigger fire. Dave Hart played it the best that he could. JG did not want to coach at Tennessee. We are not an embarrassment. People swing and miss all of the time. Dave Hart took a shot. It didn't work out. We will now move forward. GO vols

    This post was edited by Alexdykes22 on 11/30/2012 at 2:35 PM

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  • Alexdykes22 said...

    The only people who put the university through needless embarrassment was US. Dave Hart...Specifically Dave Hart never said a word about Jon Gruden at all. With good reason because of US. We took a bunch of unverified rumors, Speculation, and did what FANS do with something like this. Blow it up. Pouring gas on a fire only makes for a bigger fire. Dave Hart played it the best that he could. JG did not want to coach at Tennessee. We are not an embarrassment. People swing and miss all of the time. Dave Hart took a shot. It didn't work out. We will now move forward. GO vols

    That's completely ludicrous. If Gruden's name is out there and you have the people that cover the team not shutting it down of course the fans are going to go batcrap insane. This isn't some irrational response on our part. If any team in the country had their actual media who do it for a living saying "Yeah it's possible" they would all go equally off the deep end. That isn't our fault.

    If they weren't going to do what it took(and they should have had some clue what that was), then they should have shut this down a long time ago. If they weren't willing to go 12M for his whole staff then why even talk to him? Do you think he's going to give you a discount for some reason?

    JPSke

  • Maybe he wanted some time to think about it and decided it was in his best interest to decline. You know it would be kind of a big decision. Maybe there was simply nothing UT could have done - within reason - to get him. Let's not overreact to this. Lets wait out the search and see who the next HC is to lead this team through the T before passing judgement. JMO

    VooDooVolunteer

  • You said fire Dave Hart..Dave Hart never said we did or did not have a chance. With the reports we have had how can anybody at this point completely stand up and say that We did or did not have a shot at? It is ludicrous to believe anything more. Dave Hart understands Public Relations better than we do. I will follow his lead.

    This post was edited by Alexdykes22 on 11/30/2012 at 2:44 PM

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  • Alexdykes22 said...

    You said fire Dave Hart..Dave Hart never said we did or did not have a chance. With the reports we have had how can anybody at this point completely stand up and say that We did or did not have a shot at? It is ludicrous to believe anything more. Dave Hart understands Public Relations better than we do. I will follow his lead.

    How can you look at this as anything but a colossal PR blunder? We look like a bunch of buffoons and our next head coach is going to be, at some level, resented by a lot of our fan base. If that was Hart's master PR plan he's a complete idiot. He botched it. If he had killed it two weeks ago and said it was ridiculous people would be excited about the other candidates. Now there's a cloud over the whole situation.

    JPSke

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  • JPSke said...

    That's completely ludicrous. If Gruden's name is out there and you have the people that cover the team not shutting it down of course the fans are going to go batcrap insane. This isn't some irrational response on our part. If any team in the country had their actual media who do it for a living saying "Yeah it's possible" they would all go equally off the deep end. That isn't our fault.

    Sorry but it's your fault. You let yourself go off the deep end period. We're all big boys here, if you couldn't tame your expectations accordingly, that's on you. Wes, Ryan, and the 247 staff continually said there's some interest but they would believe it when they see it.

    And what is so embarasing about going after Gruden? It didnt work out, and now we move on towards a whole list of quality candidates.

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    JPSke

  • People were at the same fever pitch for Gruden two weeks ago and we had barley even fired CDD. Saying anything at all about JG at that point takes away any kind of leverage that you may have had. If he would had came out and said that Gruden was ridiculous two weeks ago all it would have done is devalue the position.

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  • I will say it again. Dave Hart is not Mike Hamilton.. That alone is good enough for me.

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  • I couldn't agree with Alex more. We are the ones that put the rumors out there. We are the ones that kept "banging the drums." We are the ones who should get fired or at least apologize. I haven't seen one person who for the past 11 days has thrown one dookey (this is a family board) after another against the wall apologize or even admit they were making it up. They should be fired. This AD didn't screw up a damn thing IMO.

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  • JPSke said...

    He can hire the best coach available, but he still put this program through needless embarrassment and set up the next coach for unnecessary difficulty. If we weren't going to do what it took to get Gruden or he wasn't a realistic possibility this should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    Exactly!

    UT judge

  • I only want to say, that I am really surprised by the reaction to this news so far. I figured the board would be on fire, but outside of one or two people, I feel like many of us have handled this like adults. To be fair, I haven't been over to TOS and I'm sure that if I did my computer would fry on account of the meltdown...

    Over the course of your life you are going to get your hopes up, and be completely disappointed. This is one of those moments. How you respond to disappointment speaks volumes about you and your character. So far I am pretty impressed with the character of this board.clap

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  • JPSke said...

    ...The fans look like a bunch of maniacal idiots.

    Many of the fans are a bunch of gullible maniacal idiots.

    We made this mess and perpetuated these rumors and so you blame Hart for not cleaning it up? How about taking a little responsibility yourself?

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