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Hart should be fired, but not for the reason you think.

  • RunThruThe T said...

    Many of the fans are a bunch of gullible maniacal idiots.

    We made this mess and perpetuated these rumors and so you blame Hart for not cleaning it up? How about taking a little responsibility yourself?

    This is a ludicrous statement. This is what fans do. It's like throwing a ham into the middle of a bunch of hungry dogs and being shocked when they start fighting.

    I personally never believed it was a done deal. I never believed anything more than that there was interest and that someone close to the program was passing out information trying to make it happen. That's what the information coming out was indicating.

    Did some people go off the deep end? Sure. But like I said that's completely predictable and expected. And no matter what anyone says now there were absolutely people with connections to this football program who were telling people Gruden was more than just a minor thing.

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  • GhostofNeyland said...

    This post, in my humble opinion -- and no offense -- is ridiculous.

    I said this to a friend this morning, and I'll repeat it here. He asked, "What has Dave Hart done to make you trust him" in response to me telling him that I trust Dave Hart. My response was as follows:

    He barked up a tree that has been dead for four years and $18 million fell down.

    He hired Anthony Grant at Alabama.

    He hired Jimbo Fisher to be HC in waiting at FSU.

    Pushed Bowden out and Jimbo in, leading to the re-emergence of FSU

    He -- from most of my Alabama buddies -- essentially ran that athletic department at UA from a day-to-day operations standpoint while he was there.

    He got our fundraising back on track to where it isn't governed by academics.

    He consolidated the men's and women's athletic departments, cutting tons of dead weight and getting us more aligned with what every other university's athletic department in the country is, with a revenue stream that can eventually get us out of this hell.

    That's all I got. But it's a pretty good track record so far.

    He isn't some damn mole hired to sabotage our athletic department. He's a really good AD. Believe it or not, but he is.

    THIS ^^^ +1

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  • JPSke said...

    He can hire the best coach available, but he still put this program through needless embarrassment and set up the next coach for unnecessary difficulty. If we weren't going to do what it took to get Gruden or he wasn't a realistic possibility this should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    I still don't think Gruden is out ifcthe picture

    JC is a VFL

  • I don't know if that's true or not, but I do think it makes it harder to hire anyone else. Nobody wants to be the guy the fans don't really want. This really is a PR issue whether people want to admit it or not.

    JPSke

  • I still don't think Gruden is out of the picture

    JC is a VFL

  • JPSke said...

    He can hire the best coach available, but he still put this program through needless embarrassment and set up the next coach for unnecessary difficulty. If we weren't going to do what it took to get Gruden or he wasn't a realistic possibility this should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    i agree with you ...gruden could have been hired..it was reported it was all done but the staff part
    seems he just dont want gruden...not sure why everyone is down voting because it will come out
    and hart blowed it...plus 1+ jp

    vols4life1969

  • Alexdykes22 said...

    The only people who put the university through needless embarrassment was US. Dave Hart...Specifically Dave Hart never said a word about Jon Gruden at all. With good reason because of US. We took a bunch of unverified rumors, Speculation, and did what FANS do with something like this. Blow it up. Pouring gas on a fire only makes for a bigger fire. Dave Hart played it the best that he could. JG did not want to coach at Tennessee. We are not an embarrassment. People swing and miss all of the time. Dave Hart took a shot. It didn't work out. We will now move forward. GO vols

    Truly outstanding. +1 and it's not enough.

    tnbear66

  • There is no evidence other than you hoping that Hart took a big swing at Gruden and missed. All we know is there were lots of rumors and apparently it didn't happen. In fact last night it was reported on this website that the problem was actually money and it wasn't until later that evening when people started getting mad that Wes suddenly comes back with new sources saying "Oh no, it wasn't money, it was that Gruden didn't want it". You honestly think this whole thing was made up? They talked, they didn't come to an agreement, and now it's probably over. That's all we know. John Brice came straight out and said last night when this whole thing was blowing up that if they hired Gruden it would be against Hart's wishes. I don't understand how anyone with a brain can look at this and just accept what is being said today on its face value.

    The evidence clearly points toward Hart never being onboard with going after Gruden. We can move on now and hope we land a great coach, but that doesn't change anything about what happened in the last 72 hours.

    There are a huge group of people on this website who seem to get a kick out of going after anyone who says things aren't rainbows and lollipops, but I just don't see how you can look at the preponderance of evidence and pretend like "well, we gave it a shot and it just didn't work out". Trying to put the best possible spin on it to make yourself feel better seems pointless to me.

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  • JPSke said...

    There are a huge group of people on this website who seem to get a kick out of going after anyone who says things aren't rainbows and lollipops, but I just don't see how you can look at the preponderance of evidence and pretend like "well, we gave it a shot and it just didn't work out". Trying to put the best possible spin on it to make yourself feel better seems pointless to me.

    The majority you are speaking of, is actually the majority that waits until facts are presented and then makes a calculated judgement, based on facts. As of right now, there aren't many facts. So I will wait until I know more about what actually happened before I draw my conclusion on the situation and how Hart handled it.

    No rainbows.

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  • JPSke said...

    There is no evidence other than you hoping that Hart took a big swing at Gruden and missed. All we know is there were lots of rumors and apparently it didn't happen. In fact last night it was reported on this website that the problem was actually money and it wasn't until later that evening when people started getting mad that Wes suddenly comes back with new sources saying "Oh no, it wasn't money, it was that Gruden didn't want it". You honestly think this whole thing was made up? They talked, they didn't come to an agreement, and now it's probably over. That's all we know. John Brice came straight out and said last night when this whole thing was blowing up that if they hired Gruden it would be against Hart's wishes. I don't understand how anyone with a brain can look at this and just accept what is being said today on its face value.

    The evidence clearly points toward Hart never being onboard with going after Gruden. We can move on now and hope we land a great coach, but that doesn't change anything about what happened in the last 72 hours.

    There are a huge group of people on this website who seem to get a kick out of going after anyone who says things aren't rainbows and lollipops, but I just don't see how you can look at the preponderance of evidence and pretend like "well, we gave it a shot and it just didn't work out". Trying to put the best possible spin on it to make yourself feel better seems pointless to me.

    You have no evidence, you have your version of speculation you are using for your typically negative argument. The only real statement in your post is: All we know is there were lots of rumors and apparently it didn't happen, After that your argument turns to how you want to use the rumor mill to support your agenda. Bottom line is few know the real details of what transpired. Other bottom line is the question is: did Tennessee get turned down by Gruden or did college football via the TN situation?

    volfanrbf

  • Uhm... the OP gave exactly the reasons I expected.

    Sorry, but until we know any of the crap that's been floating around has been factual... Dave Hart doesn't even deserve any crap. Now if we go out and hire a nobody, or start getting rejected by a bunch of candidates then I'll change my tune. But you don't fire a freaking AD because he wasn't able to land a Super Bowl winning coach.

    Have any of you considered the possibility that Hart didn't bungle anything? That perhaps Gruden was promised an NFL job as soon as the season is over? Gruden's agent may have just been trying to cover Hart's ass because they knew a lot of our fans would be mind-blowingly irrational about the whole thing.

    This post was edited by Clevelandvol02 on 11/30/2012 at 8:21 PM

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