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Ice on Dooley's seat.,,

  • The teams Tennessee has lost too are among the nation’s elite and all five are ranked with a combined record of 39-6.

    One word should be on every fans mind: STABILITY.

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    jguy79

  • I don't disagree, but the Troy game really took a toll on confidence in the staff. Hopefully they can sweep the rest of their games.

    dogassnat

  • jguy79 said...

    The teams Tennessee has lost too are among the nation’s elite and all five are ranked with a combined record of 39-6.

    One word should be on every fans mind: STABILITY.

    This is what you should expect in the SEC, but you're expected to win your fair share of these games.

    hdrizzle21

  • The issue is that we could have beaten several (perhaps all but Alabama) all of those teams with better play calling, basic fundamental football, and our coach's ability to manage staff and players. There was not a significant enough talent difference to lose all of those games.

    When will we expect our coach to outcoach and outscheme someone?

    When did it become acceptable at Tennessee to lose to teams because "they're really good and getting better"?

    If stability is so important, is it OK to ask why he didn't fight to keep Wilcox and/or try to replace him with a similar system since we had an upcoming season where we were expected to be competitive? He lost/ran off/ gave up his entire staff last year? Why does Dooley get a pass on his lack of consistency and stability?

    Stability in losing to everybody in the SEC East besides Vandy and Kentucky with the best offense in the conference isn't good stability. Kentucky is consistent too.

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  • Things are beyond the point of no return in my opinion. Even if he wins out the support is gone, recruiting is going to be far below competitive levels, and he isn't in a position to adjust his staff in any sort of realistic manner. Even if you think he deserves another year, if you look at what the situation would actually be going forward with him in charge it paints a very dire picture. This was the year he had to make a statement, unify everyone behind him, and shut up the doubters and contrarians using his job security against him on the recruiting trail. He didn't do that. Moving forward and trying to make the situation work is only going to exacerbate the issues Tennessee football is facing. Another subpar recruiting class, a late start on recruiting next year, a new coordinator and even a completely new system, and a win now mandate from an administration and fanbase who are not behind him are the recipe to really create a Colorado-like situation here within a few years.

    He simply has to go. Fair or not, he has to go.

    JPSke

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  • dogassnat said...

    I don't disagree, but the Troy game really took a toll on confidence in the staff. Hopefully they can sweep the rest of their games.

    It's just one game.

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    "Count it down with me. Five, four, three, two, one. The national champion is clad in Big Orange!"

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  • kyvolunteer said...

    The issue is that we could have beaten several (perhaps all but Alabama) all of those teams with better play calling, basic fundamental football, and our coach's ability to manage staff and players. There was not a significant enough talent difference to lose all of those games.

    When will we expect our coach to outcoach and outscheme someone?

    When did it become acceptable at Tennessee to lose to teams because "they're really good and getting better"?

    If stability is so important, is it OK to ask why he didn't fight to keep Wilcox and/or try to replace him with a similar system since we had an upcoming season where we were expected to be competitive? He lost/ran off/ gave up his entire staff last year? Why does Dooley get a pass on his lack of consistency and stability?

    Stability in losing to everybody in the SEC East besides Vandy and Kentucky with the best offense in the conference isn't good stability. Kentucky is consistent too.

    You want to know who drove the previous staff away then look no further than Hart. His unwillingness to give contract extensions was a major contributing factor to that situation. Is that leadership, cut the legs out from under your coach and still not have the guts to fire him? The jury is still out on Dooley for me but this situation has a lot of players who have or at least appear to have made mistakes. As for our close losses you can look no further than Sal. Having said that I think Dooley hiring him puts Dooley squarely in the cross hairs. Shakespeare could not have come up with a more convoluted situation. For me the lack of a decision on Harts part last year and his lack of outward verbal support for Dooley is the key factor in this. Fire him or support him but don't leave him dangling. It leaves fans, boosters and coaches dangling as well and that's never good for them or the program. I have as much doubt about Hart as I do about Dooley. JMO

    This post was edited by tnbear66 on 11/9/2012 at 1:29 PM

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  • JPSke said...

    Things are beyond the point of no return in my opinion. Even if he wins out the support is gone, recruiting is going to be far below competitive levels, and he isn't in a position to adjust his staff in any sort of realistic manner. Even if you think he deserves another year, if you look at what the situation would actually be going forward with him in charge it paints a very dire picture. This was the year he had to make a statement, unify everyone behind him, and shut up the doubters and contrarians using his job security against him on the recruiting trail. He didn't do that. Moving forward and trying to make the situation work is only going to exacerbate the issues Tennessee football is facing. Another subpar recruiting class, a late start on recruiting next year, a new coordinator and even a completely new system, and a win now mandate from an administration and fanbase who are not behind him are the recipe to really create a Colorado-like situation here within a few years.

    He simply has to go. Fair or not, he has to go.

    I'm ok if he has to go, but it has to be a big nmae proven winner or we are just making another excperiment. It has to be someone that recruits want to come and play for and who can get them to the next level.

    bosswhs

  • "If stability is so important, is it OK to ask why he didn't fight to keep Wilcox and/or try to replace him with a similar system since we had an upcoming season where we were expected to be competitive? He lost/ran off/ gave up his entire staff last year? Why does Dooley get a pass on his lack of consistency and stability?"

    I think, in a way, you are confirming the OP's point. What would our record have been had we retained Wilcox? I may be wrong, but I think we would have won two of the five we lost. In hindsight, losing Wilcox was a terrible mistake, but one I primarily pin on Dave Hart. With all the talk of "hot seat", you could hardly blame Wilcox for seeking a multi-year extension. As I understand it, and I am no insider, Hart's refusal to consider the multi-year extension was a primary factor in Wilcox's decision.

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  • cpavol said...

    "If stability is so important, is it OK to ask why he didn't fight to keep Wilcox and/or try to replace him with a similar system since we had an upcoming season where we were expected to be competitive? He lost/ran off/ gave up his entire staff last year? Why does Dooley get a pass on his lack of consistency and stability?"

    I think, in a way, you are confirming the OP's point. What would our record have been had we retained Wilcox? I may be wrong, but I think we would have won two of the five we lost. In hindsight, losing Wilcox was a terrible mistake, but one I primarily pin on Dave Hart. With all the talk of "hot seat", you could hardly blame Wilcox for seeking a multi-year extension. As I understand it, and I am no insider, Hart's refusal to consider the multi-year extension was a primary factor in Wilcox's decision.

    Also -- We don't know why Wilcox left. Wilcox could have had family issues back West. He is from that area of the country. Sometimes, going home is a big draw. Particularly when the AD is not giving a strong indication that he is behind the current regime.

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  • tnbear66 said...

    You want to know who drove the previous staff away then look no further than Hart. His unwillingness to give contract extensions was a major contributing factor to that situation. Is that leadership, cut the legs out from under your coach and still not have the guts to fire him? The jury is still out on Dooley for me but this situation has a lot of players who have or at least appear to have made mistakes. As for our close losses you can look no further than Sal. Having said that I think Dooley hiring him puts Dooley squarely in the cross hairs. Shakespeare could not have come up with a more convoluted situation. For me the lack of a decision on Harts part last year and his lack of outward verbal support for Dooley is the key factor in this. Fire him or support him but don't leave him dangling. It leaves fans, boosters and coaches dangling as well and that's never good for them or the program. I have as much doubt about Hart as I do about Dooley. JMO

    That is right on target, as usual, my friend. +1

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