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ecuamerican said...
It is insanely way too early to judge if Jones is better than Dooley. I know it's fun to bash Dooley but how many of us were enthused when he first came on board after Kiffin (be honest, now)? I'm just preaching "let's be level headed". Jones has seemingly done quite well up to this point, but what he's accomplished doesn't (or shouldn't) project success in the future.
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One of the biggest reasons people were so supportive of Dooley at the beginning was because he was a complete 180 from Kiffin, and fans did NOT want another "one and done" coach who pulled the stunts he did. In fact, I remember several people on VQ worrying that he'd jump to UGA at the first opportunity because of his father and the family's ties to that school. At the time, it wasn't about his prior record as much as it was about avoiding a repeat of the Kiffin tenure.
The big advantage that Jones has over Dooley is that he has won conference titles at CMU and UC. While neither conference is on the SECs level, he WAS beating schools with a comparable level of talent to his teams. When you put him in the SEC with SEC-caliber players, chances are he will perform better against the UGAs, Arkansas, etc than he did against Tennessee in 2011.
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ecuamerican said...
It is insanely way too early to judge if Jones is better than Dooley. I know it's fun to bash Dooley but how many of us were enthused when he first came on board after Kiffin (be honest, now)? I'm just preaching "let's be level headed". Jones has seemingly done quite well up to this point, but what he's accomplished doesn't (or shouldn't) project success in the future.
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You can judge he was a head coach at a good school and I watched them beat tennessee isiah pead made us look stupid and I said it is a totally different con. bud he is a way better recruiter also when you throw all that together man dooley was just thrown in there I swear they didn't think that decision over very well at picking dooley butch jones will make tennessee slowly climb his way up the sec and not make a joke out of tennessee losing to teams like vandy and start winning in the second half I have never heard of anything like that how do you out play teams every first half then come out and act like you just woke up from a nap I blame that on the head coach for not having his team change his games schemes for the other team and not his players fired up smh
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On paper? I prefer to make my decisions based on what happens on the field not "on paper." The argument over who the better coach is will be based on how many W's Jones can put after the season not before he has coached a game. Some UT fans are completely sold on his ability to win because he works hard and creates catchy phrases like "117". Plenty of coaches work hard and create catch phrases. I prefer wins on the field. Like I said, We'll see...
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frostyvol said...
Remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics...your comparison of Dooley and CBJ leaves out one very critical fact - CBJ took over way better teams than Dooley inherited at La Tech. When CBJ took over from Kelly at CMU, he took over a 10-4 team from the previous season, and promptly went 8-6. At Cincinnatti, he took over a 12-1 team from Kelly and promptly went 4-8.. DD took over a 3-10 La Tech team.., so you arent comparing apples to apples. You are comparing apples to squash..
Im not saying DD is a better coach or a worse coach, im saying statistics in this circumstance can be very misleading. It remains to be seen how CBJ can perform in the shark tank that is the SEC..
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You don't take a knife to a gunfight, but that is what the VOls have been doing the past few years. Without more hard nose gunslingers, the Big Orange is doomed to the bottom half of the SEC until CBJ can intensify the recruiting fires and convince more 4 and 5 star players that UT needs their talents more that Bammer and the Dawgs. If a football player has enough potential to one day make the NFL, he needs to play and develop early on. HE can certainly do that at present with the Vols and not have to warm the bench with all the other 4 stars at
"Tater U" , "Dawg state", and "Gator tech". It will take 2-3 years of good recruiting, but I feel like Coach J is the man for the job. It is still a mystery to me how we ever got stuck with Kiffin and Doolittle. That dubious duo set the football program back 5-10 years because while the VOls were wallowing in the coaching wars, there were 5-6 SEC teams that we regularly play who were in the top 10 in the country. There again you can't win a gunfight with a knife---a slow and dull one at that!Boonsoon52 ●
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It is insanely way too early to judge if Jones is better than Dooley. I know it's fun to bash Dooley but how many of us were enthused when he first came on board after Kiffin (be honest, now)? I'm just preaching "let's be level headed". Jones has seemingly done quite well up to this point, but what he's accomplished doesn't (or shouldn't) project success in the future.
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Interesting Butch Jones stat