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Is NOW the time for the Dave Hart short list?

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    A lot of people? You're kidding yourself. 95% of Tennessee fans thought the program was heading in the right direction.

    Those were the people that wanted a break from Fulmer and the tradition of hiring "insiders" to run the program. The issue is that the Kiffin hire is what really set this program back so much, not the firing of Fulmer. Two HC changes in 15 months does NOT equate to stability and development. That's why coaches like Muschamp passed when Hammy came calling the second time, which led to hiring Dooley.

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  • tntoak said...

    Those were the people that wanted a break from Fulmer and the tradition of hiring "insiders" to run the program. The issue is that the Kiffin hire is what really set this program back so much, not the firing of Fulmer. Two HC changes in 15 months does NOT equate to stability and development. That's why coaches like Muschamp passed when Hammy came calling the second time, which led to hiring Dooley.

    You're exactly right. I'm not arguing that point though. He said we haven't been behind a coach in 20 years and I said a VERY large group loved Kiffin. It's all about recruiting. We don't have enough 4 and 5 stars, really as simple as that IMO. Bring in a Charlie Strong recruiting automatically gets better.

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    You're exactly right. I'm not arguing that point though. He said we haven't been behind a coach in 20 years and I said a VERY large group loved Kiffin. It's all about recruiting. We don't have enough 4 and 5 stars, really as simple as that IMO. Bring in a Charlie Strong recruiting automatically gets better.

    Here's the $64,000 question: How many of those in the pro-Kiffin crowd quickly changed their tune after he bolted for USC and people started mentioning just how much of UTs history and legacy he basically covered up? People liked him at the time because he was boisterous, obnoxious, and loved to tweak other coaches and programs, and it looked like he was putting a better team on the field. But once he left and stuff started coming to the surface, the opinions changed.

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  • hdrizzle21 said...

    You're exactly right. I'm not arguing that point though. He said we haven't been behind a coach in 20 years and I said a VERY large group loved Kiffin. It's all about recruiting. We don't have enough 4 and 5 stars, really as simple as that IMO. Bring in a Charlie Strong recruiting automatically gets better.

    I didn't say we haven't been behind a coach in 20 years. I said our fan base has basically been split for 20 years. I know A Lot of people were behind Kiffin, and like Tntoak said, a lot of them turned on him quickly, especially when he left for SC. But there was a large contingent of fans that were still pissed that we fired Fulmer and were unwilling to support Kiffin. It began when Fulner took over from Majors. The people who were "loyal" to Johnny always said Fulmer stabbed him in the back. Said he was only successful when because Johnny left him a stocked program. Many of them were like that until the day he was fired, although they were quieter during our glory years. When Phil was fired, the same thing happened with those that were "loyal" to him, so many of them did not support Kiffin or Dooley. Honestly, I really don't care who our coach is. Like you, all I want is for us to win.

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  • Yes. We are not closing on Bama. The gap is getting more wide each year. Coach Dooley inherited a dumpster fire. He put the fire out. His efforts to rebuild are effective against non conference foes. We are still in the doormat conversation and we should not be. GBO!

    This post was edited by MIDTENNVOL on 10/21/2012 at 6:54 PM

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