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  • CrockettTM said...

    We'll just agree to disagree. "Substance" is not what Nolan added to Batman, and he removed 99% of the humor the main character has always portrayed.

    And the fact is, Batman has always been marketed to children. Walk through a toy section at a store sometime...and when your 8 year old wants to see "the new Batman movie" and cannot/should not...I feel there's an issue.

    The Prestige is easily Nolan's best film and it is still entirely consumed with the worst of humanity.

    If you watch either the most recent animated series or read the "Dark Knight" comics, you'd see that the Batman series is NOT always focused on humor, nor is it always targeted towards kids.

    Go listen to Kevin Smith's interview with Mark Hamill (the voice of the Joker) on the "Fatman on Batman" podcast - I guarantee your perception of Batman as only a humorous character will be shattered. Or you can read the "New 52" series currently out - that is so dark it makes the Dark Knight series look like the 60s series (which Bob Kane hated because of how ridiculous it made everything).

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    tntoak

  • tntoak said...

    If you watch either the most recent animated series or read the "Dark Knight" comics, you'd see that the Batman series is NOT always focused on humor, nor is it always targeted towards kids.

    Go listen to Kevin Smith's interview with Mark Hamill (the voice of the Joker) on the "Fatman on Batman" podcast - I guarantee your perception of Batman as only a humorous character will be shattered. Or you can read the "New 52" series currently out - that is so dark it makes the Dark Knight series look like the 60s series (which Bob Kane hated because of how ridiculous it made everything).

    You're the effing man tntoak. Im so happy to agree with every word you just said.

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  • dxhman said...

    Crockett- In your opinion who is a great filmmaker sinse Nolan so obviously isn't in your eyes?

    Robert Redford makes beautiful movies, but a few have had poor plots.

    Stephen Frears older movies were really good.

    Obviously, Frank Darabont. Terry Gilliam, Edward Zwick, and Bryan Singer's low budget stuff are all fantastic as well.

    CrockettTM

  • tntoak said...

    If you watch either the most recent animated series or read the "Dark Knight" comics, you'd see that the Batman series is NOT always focused on humor, nor is it always targeted towards kids.

    Go listen to Kevin Smith's interview with Mark Hamill (the voice of the Joker) on the "Fatman on Batman" podcast - I guarantee your perception of Batman as only a humorous character will be shattered. Or you can read the "New 52" series currently out - that is so dark it makes the Dark Knight series look like the 60s series (which Bob Kane hated because of how ridiculous it made everything).

    Tntoak - no offense, but you misread what I said.

    I didn't say Batman or Bruce Wayne was a humorous character. I said what humor he DID have was removed.

    CrockettTM

  • tntoak said...

    If you watch either the most recent animated series or read the "Dark Knight" comics, you'd see that the Batman series is NOT always focused on humor, nor is it always targeted towards kids.

    Go listen to Kevin Smith's interview with Mark Hamill (the voice of the Joker) on the "Fatman on Batman" podcast - I guarantee your perception of Batman as only a humorous character will be shattered. Or you can read the "New 52" series currently out - that is so dark it makes the Dark Knight series look like the 60s series (which Bob Kane hated because of how ridiculous it made everything).

    Yeah, tell 'em steve dave!

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