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CrockettTM said...
A) Not a Braves fan. B) All the explanations I've read that say the call was or may have been right completely overlook the fact that the umpire called it incorrectly by waiting until the infield defender called for it. "Immediately" is a much bigger reason it was a poor call than where the play occurred on the field.
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Ryan Callahan said...
The umpire had to wait until he knew the infielder was going to get to it, since the criteria for calling an infield fly is that it has to be a ball an infielder can reach with ordinary effort. My thought on it was that the umpire couldn't tell that Kozma was going to get to it with ordinary effort until he settled under it. Assuming the call was even close to correct, it wasn't a ball on which the umpire could have made the call much early. The rule doesn't mean the umpire has to call it as soon as the ball comes off the bat or something like that. I think you're reading "immediately" as something different from what the rulebook means.
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Boomer020 said...
ESPN showed a stat last night that there had been 8 infield fly rules called in MLB this year where the ball landed in the outfield grass the average distance the ball landed was 160ft from home plate and the fartherest before last night was 178ft from home plate.. That ball hit the grass 225ft from home plate last night.. That is probably where a normal outfielder stands when the pitcher is at the plate
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RockytopATL said...
Ryan, this is why it was such a horrible call. It was 47 feet deeper in the outfield than any other infield fly call made all season. It was too deep to be considered an infield fly.
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Ryan Callahan said...
Not to revive the debate over the call, but I had heard a lot about this explanation from Harold Reynolds on MLB Network but hadn't seen it until last night.
If you haven't watched this, you should check it out. He basically says exactly what I've been saying about the infield-fly-rule call and breaks it down perfectly, and he even offers a video example from a similar play earlier this season that was called the same way.
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Ryan Callahan said...
Not to revive the debate over the call, but I had heard a lot about this explanation from Harold Reynolds on MLB Network but hadn't seen it until last night.
If you haven't watched this, you should check it out. He basically says exactly what I've been saying about the infield-fly-rule call and breaks it down perfectly, and he even offers a video example from a similar play earlier this season that was called the same way.
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RockytopATL said...
Oh I watched it. And I understood your explanation from the beginning. I'm just saying there was no reason to call it. There was no way they were going to turn a double play on the ball. Common sense, as Dahlberg said, should come into play on such a play.
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volfan28 said...
Redsox fan here..
I think the Cardinals gained an unfair advantage from a technically correct call.
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As the play turned out, sure, the Cardinals ended up gaining an advantage. But if the call is "technically correct," how can the advantage gained be unfair?
The bottom line is this, though — and I'm glad to hear people finally starting to acknowledge this, when Twitter Wes and many others weren't willing to admit this the night of the game — that the call technically was correct by the book. That means, regardless of whether you think it was the right call to make, it wasn't anywhere close to one of the worst calls in playoff history. Not even a horrible call, really. Just a questionable one.
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