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Denver Vol said...
This topic has been broached briefly in a couple of threads, but I'm finally throwing the gauntlet down for full debate on the subject.
I don't get why people feel that Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU being dominant helps us. If Alabama wins on January 7th, do we get to claim another national title? Is it going to land us any recruits? Does anyone here enjoy chanting, "SEC, SEC" more than singing Rocky Top at the top of their lungs?
I want to debate the topic with those who feel differently, because I think it's interesting how many people disagree with me.
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Denver Vol said...
Here's how I see it:
Let's assume we compete for two types of players in recruiting: (1) Players inside SEC recruiting grounds (geographically in the Southeast), and (2) players outside of SEC recruiting grounds.
Now, of the first category, we have three types of players: (a) players who are going to go to the school they loved growing up, and (b) players who will go to the best offer they can get, and (c) players who will go where they feel most comfortable with the staff and culture
So we have...
(1)a. Those in the SEC who are going where they're going because they've always loved it -These are the Drae Bowles, Antonio Richardson's of the world. SEC power doesn't sway them for obvious reasons.
(1)b. Those who will take their best offer - Again, SEC power doesn't matter because they're looking for the most successful program. If that's Alabama, they'll take it. If that's Kentucky, they'll take it. SEC success hurts us here because our competitors' success makes us less likely to get these players.
(1)c. Those who will go where they are most comfortable - SEC success is irrelevant because they are choosing based on "soft" factors that vary from school to school
(2) Those outside the SEC who will either play outside or inside, based on a number of factors. Let's assume a player get's drawn to play far from home so he can be in the SEC. Doesn't it stand to reason that he will play for whatever his best offer in the SEC is? Or maybe he'll take the SEC offer that just feels the best from a cultural standpoint. Then we have the exact same logic as 1(b) and 1(c) from above. Again, our competitors' success will either hurt us, or it's irrelevant with these players. Being in the SEC, but being way down the pecking order in terms of recent wins doesn't do anything but hurt us.
I'm not saying I want the SEC to become pitiful football so that we can be a big fish in a little pond. But I AM saying that this era of ultra-powerful SEC teams isn't helping us in any way. We need to lift ourselves up and get some wins in several ways that only we control, but it would also help for our primary competitors to lose some more games and championships so that UA/UF/UGA/LSU/AU quit finishing in the top-10 every single year in recruiting.
Personally, I think some people take solace in SEC dominance as an excuse for our poor performance of late. It helps to know that you've been getting beaten by the best. But that emotion, a human as it may be, doesn't help UT. Alabama winning doesn't help UT's image, lift it's brand, or make elite recruits more aware of us.
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smasher423 said...
The SEC is clearly the best and most prestigious conference in the country and it's not even close. If Notre Dame beats Bama, that won't change. The conference's dominance has more to do with the depth than it does the best team in the conference. If Bama loses, it won't hurt UT's football team in any noticeable way. Maybe the conference gets a little bit less money that it would have, but enough to make any difference in how the football team operates? No way.
And recruiting, yeah there are recruits that look at UT because we can make the pitch that they get to play in the SEC. But the good recruits, the ones that make a real impact, are already being recruited by Bama. What do we argue with them about? We are recruiting against other SEC schools, so how does being able to say we are in the SEC help us at all with those recruits?
And bragging rights? I live in the Midwest, and it gives me no joy to tell my Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Wisconsin friends that Tennessee plays in a better conference. That's not a bragging right. That's riding the coattails of Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc. When UT starts winning, then I will brag.
To me, seeing Bama lose would make me so happy. The meltdown among their fan base would be a sight to see. That makes up for any slight hit the conference takes by not keeping the BCS streak alive.
"People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know" -Bear Bryant
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Denver Vol said...
You're closing in on a very good point. If the SEC winning helps us, then does the corollary hold true?
If Bama loses, does it hurt us? Does anyone here think that UT will be adversely affected in the recruiting world if Alabama is defeated in the national championship game by Notre Dame?
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