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pcox21 said...
good point about only eight teams winning it....but what about other than world cup... world championships or other....? just curious.
did you play soccer as a kid?
i played one year when i was seven... and hated it. never played again. was too small to play football so played tennis and basketball through high school. when i finally grew and filled out some i found rugby in college. too late to be any good on a major level but continued to play on and off for 15 years. so no im not a politician but i can comprehend that just because a team makes a tournament doesnt mean they are great or even good. if you watch the play like i mentioned our talent and skill level in rugby is where you see the deficiency... or as i call it sucking.
i guess i fell we suck in soccer...and you dont... thats fine agree to disagree. but at the very least why isnt USA better... when every kid is thrown into as a youngster and as a country they thow tons of money into the sport...they prop up this MLS game with quit a bit of money as well... for what? over the last 30 years ive seen very little return on investment.
i had several friends that played soccer their whole child hood that were big enough and athletic enough to play other sports...but didnt.... one reason or another too many to go into.
soccer and rugby are similar in one way... you have to ...usually...play from an early age if you want to good or elite and play on a national stage or internationally.
i think as a country we are more athletic than others and especially better at hand eye coordinated sports.... i just wonder what it would have been like if the push 30 or 40 years ago to play cricket or rugby would have netted now... i think the results would have produced more.
yet every kid plays soccer at one time or another...because its easy to throw a bunch of kids on a field and let them run around kicking something. sure lots like me end up hating it and moving on but there is alot of others that stick with it and dont make it. again a couple friends of mine who played soccer their whole live then found rugby after college.... could have easily played internationally had they learned rugby earlier. just a fact that i have seen first hand and wondered about ever since.
and btw the other post where having moms let their kids play football before rugby.... maybe if pushed rugby as hard as soccer more people would understand the sport more... and how their are less head injuries and severe injuries as a whole in the game of rugby... again i can speak from personal experience that i can count on two hands how many concussions ive seen playing , watching and practices in btween in 15 years of rugby...which is a drop in the bucket no... olympic swimming pool compared to football for one week much less a season.
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pcox21 said...
real quickly i think the challenges of football vs rugby go much further than the moms letting their kids play...but i do understand what you meant...really in time i think it will be a mute point especially by just getting more exposure, education of the sport and spreading it to the the young pups. which i will cover last as its the our current disadvantage as a country on the world stage.
qualifying is straight forward and simple from regions and counties within...the matches start 2-3years out from the WC date... next is 2015 in London. of course the 7's you mention is a different game and stategy....like i guess indoor soccer or something.
the 2016 olympics in brazil will feature the return of 7s rugby ...last played in the 1930s but....hey USA is/ was the defending gold medal team.... there are some world 7s rugby championships i think its done every year.... its such a different game though im not a HUGE fan but its ok. ive always been a fan of 15s or club rugby as its sometime rederrd to. even when i was inshape and fast...i didnt like 7s as much as club.
in the southern hemisphere there is super league rugby which is kind of a blend of 7s style but played with 14 players i think...again little different and much more running and hitting...most guys are all the same size and speed. it has gained popularity in austrailia and parts of england...not so much here or othr places.
our disadvantage in the world comes from kids not playing the sport at an early age....plain and simple.
when i was in NZ for world cup last fall...the craziness and amount of support that small island nation gets and gives its rugby it just unimaginable and almost indescribable. imagine all the soccer fields in the US and make them into rugby pitches...and that would describe how many fields you see in NZ...there are no baseball fields...football ...nothing. every school at every level has several pitches...same with every town...no matter how small. its clearly obvious how a country that only has 4 - 5 million people is so good and dominate on the world stage. the only other country comparable is South Africa...but in craziness and passion only...they obviously have higher population numbers.
so you can understand anyone from those countries calls us the Sleeping Giant...with 300 million....when we fig it out we will no doubt dominate.
so...starting young and developing good coaching and a federation to propperly organize and support all this...is the key... Alot of headway has been made since i left college nearly 20years ago...the last five years has been GREAT for highschool and college...where now there are many more schools giving scholarships. if you were curious...UT was good enough and invited to play Div 1 rugby when this new / scholarship and league/travel was set up a couple years ago....but unfortunately they had to decline and drop down to D2 because of the lack of funding and support so far..plus Title IV doesnt help either!!!! But i am still hopeful for them in the future. one of my friends from college and one of the reasons i found out about rugby and played it...is a coach on the UT team...and he hosts kids and parents every year from bigger citties to the north who playd rugby in highschool and want to attend UT even without the scholly.... so again i think its only a matter of time.
the college game is starting to pick up speed and its dependant on working, developing down to the lower levels. Camps Highschools and summer leagues for kids... at the lower levels 15 and under down to 9 yr olds they are trying to get the kids playing in between seasons...no matter the sport...right now its been summertime. more and more kids getting exposed to it...and hopefully eventually turning off to other sports....or at least by the time they get to highschool lokking for one that offers rugby as a fall or spring sport...
another good thing is....The state of TN has one of the better settups for highschool comp and playoffs.....especially for its population size.
winners from leagues in the east-knoxville area. cental-nashville and west- memphis play in a year end tourny for a state cup! the guy i mentioned as one of the coaches at UT was LARGLY responsible for this state cup and solely the creator/organizer of the smokey mountain athletic league SMAC.
so...anyway...seek it out ...learn it ...support it. Rugby is the best team sport ever created...i truly believe that...having played all different and loved all sports in general...it doesnt even compare. plus the opportunities that have come to me and about because of rugby...weather its friends...travel or even jobs...its been great and that doesnt even touch on the discipline and respect of others.
alright i think ive said enough
cheers
go big orange
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