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Vic Wharton #229 in rivals 250

  • Wharton's rating various tremendously with whatever site you are looking at. I wonder how high he'll end up on the 247 ranking. Btw this kid might be our most solid commit throughout this entire class. I don't think we have to worry about anyone taking him away even though its a full year until signing day.

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  • I noticed on Vic's 247 timeline that he was rated 90 for a few weeks but then was dropped down to 82. Ryan, any idea why that is? Rare that you see that big a drop for anyone. Obviously it's not an exact science, Rivals 250 vs low 3 star on 247 is a big difference.

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  • abkelley74 said...

    Like I said in another thread. He's committed to Tennessee so they are dropping his ranking.

    Oh come on this is 24-7 sports not ESPN

    philosophized

  • philosophized said...

    Oh come on this is 24-7 sports not ESPN

    I love 247 but, you know it's ran by a bunch of Bama homers right?

    abkelley74

  • abkelley74 said...

    I love 247 but, you know it's ran by a bunch of Bama homers right?

    Seriously?

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Seriously?

    Come on, I'm joking a little bit.

    Shannon Terry is from Alabama, am I right?

    abkelley74

  • abkelley74 said...

    Come on, I'm joking a little bit.

    Shannon Terry is from Alabama, am I right?

    No, he's from Nashville.

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    No, he's from Nashville.

    SO HE'S A VANDY HOMER!!!! I KNEW IT!! THEY ARE ALL AGAINST US!!!

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    No, he's from Nashville.

    Born in rural north Alabama

    Growing up Terry was an Alabama fan

    I live in Jacksonville, FL that doesn't make me from FL

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by abkelley74 on 2/14/2013 at 10:06 AM

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  • abkelley74 said...

    Born in rural north Alabama

    Growing up Terry was an Alabama fan

    I live in Jacksonville, FL that doesn't make me from FL

    Ha! Depends on your definition. I know Shannon has lived in Nashville for years. It sounds like you know Shannon's biography pretty well, but you're obviously not familiar with his dedication to being the best in this industry. If you were, you'd understand he's not going to let something like bias toward or against a team prevent 247Sports from having the best analysts and writers in the business.

    This post was edited by Ryan Callahan on 2/14/2013 at 10:09 AM

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  • Ryan Callahan said...

    Ha! Depends on your definition. I know Shannon has lived in Nashville for years. It sounds like you know Shannon's biography pretty well, but you're obviously not familiar with his dedication to being the best in this industry. If you were, you'd understand he's not going to let something like bias toward or against a team prevent 247Sports from having the best analysts and writers in the business.

    Of course I know. I'm hear aren't I? Like I said I love it here but, just like other national sites. Bama, UF, tOSU, and USC get all the praise.

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  • abkelley74 said...

    Come on, I'm joking a little bit.

    Shannon Terry is from Alabama, am I right?

    Shannon grew up in Alabama. Played basketball at Lipscomb for the legendary Don Meyer and has called Nashville home since 1987.

    We have 20-something investors in this company, none of whom is involved in ranking prospects.

    None of our analysts are from Alabama. Three of them live in Nashville now.

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  • Kevin Ryan said...

    Shannon grew up in Alabama. Played basketball at Lipscomb for the legendary Don Meyer and has called Nashville home since 1987.

    We have 20-something investors in this company, none of whom is involved in ranking prospects.

    None of our analysts are from Alabama. Three of them live in Nashville now.

    Like I said, where they live has nothing to do with where they are FROM. Neihbur lives in Atlanta, doesn't mean he doesn't root for the Gators.

    abkelley74

  • abkelley74 said...

    Like I said, where they live has nothing to do with where they are FROM. Neihbur lives in Atlanta, doesn't mean he doesn't root for the Gators.

    Make up your mind, ab. Are we Bama biased or Gator biased? biggrin

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  • Since I am the subject of this conversation, let me chime in for a seconds.

    I am the CEO of 247Sports but have zero input into the rankings. I help shape the methodology of the rankings philosophy but I do not provide scouting reports or ranking suggestions. I don't speak to recruits and have not scouted a football prospect in more than a decade. My time is spent building the 247Sports network -- recruiting reporters, cash flow statements, technology, etc.

    We have more than 20 investors in 247Sports and it is my fiduciary responsibility to grow and protect their investment. In order to do that, I hire people that are experts in their fields and get out of their way. There's no possible way I have time to get involved in "who should be ranked where."

    From the start of my time leading Rivals and now with 247Sports, I have been transparent. I grew up in North Alabama. Most of my family are Auburn fans, including my uncle who is one of Auburn's most celebrated Vets -- he's the reason I moved to Nashville in 1987. I grew up a fan of Alabama but never considered going to school there. I am still an Alabama fan today and try to go to a game every 4-5 years. My family on my mother's side are very close to Coach Fulmer and I also grew up watching Tennessee. While I am an Alabama fan, I have deep respect for all the teams and consider myself a college sports junkie.

    I am also the publisher of the Alabama site -- BamaOnLine. I have maintained that role because my day-to-day interaction is what gives me the knowledge to run this business. If I wasn't involved in the local/team site level I don't think I would have the knowledge to run the overall business.

    Our rankings are managed by JC Shurburtt, Gerry Hamilton and Barton Simmons. These 3 are responsible for all aspects of the day-to-day rankings. They scout, talk to college coaches and gather intel from network reporters like Ryan, Kevin and everyone else. I consider all three to be ultra professional and I believe they value their career way above any team favoritism. The bottom line is that we all take this profession and our careers very serious and there's not any chicanery that goes on behind the scenes with rankings are anything else.

    Additionally, 247Sports created the industry-generated 247Composite which equally aggregates rankings from the entire recruiting industry. This also is built to give users the broadest and most unbiased ranking. In fact, it is the primary team ranking used by our company and I believe the very best measurement available today.

    I'm accustomed to cry that "this company is run by a bunch of 'Bama homers" ... but it is so far from the truth and sells short the integrity and professionalism of more than 100 people that take their careers serious. I hope this answers some of your questions. We are 100% open book and committed to providing you with the very best service, ever! We might not ever get there, but we are going to try.

    Thanks, Shannon

    This post was edited by Lucky on 2/14/2013 at 10:57 AM

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  • Lucky said...

    Since I am the subject of this conversation, let me chime in for a seconds.

    I am the CEO of 247Sports but have zero input into the rankings. I help shape the methodology of the rankings philosophy but I do not provide scouting reports or ranking suggestions. I don't speak to recruits and have not scouted a football prospect in more than a decade. My time is spent building the 247Sports network -- recruiting reporters, cash flow statements, technology, etc.

    We have more than 20 investors in 247Sports and it is my fiduciary responsibility to grow and protect their investment. In order to do that, I hire people that are experts in their fields and get out of their way. There's no possible way I have time to get involved in "who should be ranked where."

    From the start of my time leading Rivals and now with 247Sports, I have been transparent. I grew up in North Alabama. Most of my family are Auburn fans, including my uncle who is one of Auburn's most celebrated Vets -- he's the reason I moved to Nashville in 1987. I grew up a fan of Alabama but never considered going to school there. I am still and Alabama fan today and try to go to a game every 4-5 years. My family on my mother's side are very close to Coach Fulmer and I also grew up watching Tennessee. While I am an Alabama fan, I have deep respect for all the teams and consider myself a college sports junkie.

    I am also the publisher of the Alabama site -- BamaOnLine. I have maintained that role because my day-to-day interaction is what gives me the knowledge to run this business. If I wasn't involved in the local/team site level I don't think I would have the knowledge to run the overall business.

    Our rankings are managed by JC Shurburtt, Gerry Hamilton and Barton Simmons. These 3 are responsible for all aspects of the day-to-day rankings. They scout, talk to college coaches and gather intel from network reporters like Ryan, Kevin and everyone else. I consider all three to be ultra professional and I believe they value their career way above any team favoritism. The bottom line is that we all take this profession and our careers very serious and there's not any chicanery that goes on behind the scenes with rankings are anything else.

    Additionally, 247Sports created the industry-generated 247Composite which equally aggregates rankings from the entire recruiting industry. This also is built to give users the broadest and most unbiased ranking. In fact, it is the primary team ranking used by our company and I believe the very best measurement available today.

    I'm accustomed to cry that "this company is run by a bunch of 'Bama homers" ... but it is so far from the truth and sells short the integrity and professionalism of more than 100 people that take their careers serious. I hope this answers some of your questions. We are 100% open book and committed to providing you with the very best service, ever! We might not ever get there, but we are going to try.

    Thanks, Shannon

    Thanks for dropping by and clearing that up. You did a much better job than I did. thumbsup

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  • One other point ... there are so many people involved in the organization that come from all different regions and at one time in their live have been fans of so many different teams, it would be extremely difficult to have bias throughout the organization. Of all of our employees and investors, I think I am the only "bama fan" in the bunch. I'm trying to think of another one in our company and can't at this time -- certainly not any of our investors.

    Ironically, two of our largest and most vocal investors are "significant" donors at the University of Tennessee. I mean significant.

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