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  • You know, I was thinking last night about what direction UT should go after Strong's rejection. I thought about the Ohio State situation, if you can't beat 'em then hire 'em (Meyer). So I thought about all the coaches that beat us while we were good. Obviously we won't get Spurrier or Snyder, but what about Frank Solich? He was solid at Nebraska before they ran him out (like Fulmer) and has done pretty well at Ohio, where he has no shot at getting top talent. He had a solid defense and we could retain most of the offensive staff.

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  • SWVolfan said...

    Why do you keep preaching Tressel. The man has a 5 year show cause penalty!

    Because he's a truly great coach who has taken a big time program that was in the dumps and turned it around. There just aren't that many guys out there who have done and can do that. I think you have to believe he's learned his lesson and would probably run the cleanest program in the country (have you ever hung out with a reformed smoker or drinker?).

    tel614

  • This is pathetic. Hart should be fired. He botched the Gruden hire and now Coach Strong. Trying to go get some clown from Oky State, got used and then messed up by putting Charlie on hold. No we are left holding a huge bag of manure. Boosters need to take over or get some one in there that knows. what the hockey sticks they are doing. I am out. Wake me when its over. Moving on with my life.

    OrangeCrush4012

  • It's like I am in junior high again, reading the posts on these boards. Grow the hell up. Who gives two sh*ts what twitter says, or what a bunch of UF, ALA, UGA fans are saying. Who cares.

    Gundy was a horrible choice. What has he ever done? He sure hasn't coached any D that I can see. And he is an OKSt guy through and through. He was never coming to Knoxville.

    Strong was a good candidate, but he had made it pretty clear that he did not want to leave. The only mistake UT made was flying up there with a counter. They should have said "take it or leave it" re the first offer.

    Gruden was a pipe dream.

    UT was and still is the best available job this offseason.

    Aub did not get their first choice. Does anyone here truly think Malzahn was choice #1? Please.

    Ark absolutely did not get their first choice. Gruden, then Gundy, then Jones all said NO.

    The objective is to get a good coach. Period. Whether it be the 1st or 5th guy you interview. The objective is not to be able to talk smack to those same UF, UGA, ALA fans on twitter/talk boards and boast that you got the 1st guy. They don't care. They're going to talk smack about UT anyways.

    JBakes

  • Nobody should have a problem with how Hart handled the Strong deal..He really stuck his neck out by offering 4 million for a coach who has no chance of competing with the big dogs in the SEC!! If Jurich is stupid enough to pay Strong 4.1 mil a year let him..The obvious choice is right under Hart's nose but he insists fishing for college guys..Greg Roman wouldn't be an instant hit at UT but this guy is coaching at the highest levels and makes guys like Jones and Golden look like white turds in the grass

    givehimsixx

  • tel614 said...

    Your sanctimony is the only thing thats ridiculous. Tressel is a proven winner. Have you looked at his record?

    Look, if the guy could be hired by anyone, he wouldn't be out of a job! I'm not being sanctimonious, I'm being realistic. I don't deny that he's a great coach, but the "Show Cause" penalty prohibits his hire. It's plain and simple. He's not an option for UT or any other NCAA school right now.

    WVa Vol

  • SWVolfan said...

    Why do you keep preaching Tressel. The man has a 5 year show cause penalty!

    You do know the details of the show cause penalty, yeah? It means only that if Tressel is hired by a team during his show cause term, he has to sit out the first 5 GAMES of his first season, and he cant coach in the bowl game that first year. That's it. That's the details of his show cause. So you have a national championship coach out there, who finished in the top 5 SEVEN times, and won SEVEN Big 10 championships, and we are talking about guys like Butch Jones... Judge all you want, but Tressel is without question the best credentialed coach out there right now who would be available to us.

    frostyvol

  • tel614 said...

    I gotta say that if youre willing to put Davis and Petrino on your list then you really can't leave Tressel off it. He's achieved more as a head coach at a major program than Davis and Petrino combined. And his sins are no worse; in fact I would say that he's shown more loyalty than either.

    Butch Davis, in both the Miami u SITUATION, & UNC probe, was/is not implicated in wrongdoing, unless I am mistaken.

    Bobby Petrino, aside from the Harley Ride, has not run afoul of the NCAA as far as I can remember.

    Jim Tressel was directly implicated in wrongdoing by the NCAA, and penalized.

    I really liked Tressel, (I live in OSU country) but I don't think that our tenuous relationship NCAA wise would allow us to hore someone with recent NCAA complications...

    GO VOLS!

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  • AtlVol1 said...

    You know, I was thinking last night about what direction UT should go after Strong's rejection. I thought about the Ohio State situation, if you can't beat 'em then hire 'em (Meyer). So I thought about all the coaches that beat us while we were good. Obviously we won't get Spurrier or Snyder, but what about Frank Solich? He was solid at Nebraska before they ran him out (like Fulmer) and has done pretty well at Ohio, where he has no shot at getting top talent. He had a solid defense and we could retain most of the offensive staff.

    I wrote this a few weeks ago. Very solid coach - winner. Runs a different offense than other SEC teams. don't have to stand in line behind AL, UGA, etc. for the same players all the time. Also - that offense shortens games. With our D, that would not be the worst thing in the world. Hiring Solich would be seen as a solid hire (maybe not a giant splash, but in terms of W/L a good hire).

    DCVOL

  • GoVols664 said...

    Butch Davis, in both the Miami u SITUATION, & UNC probe, was/is not implicated in wrongdoing, unless I am mistaken.

    Bobby Petrino, aside from the Harley Ride, has not run afoul of the NCAA as far as I can remember.

    Jim Tressel was directly implicated in wrongdoing by the NCAA, and penalized.

    I really liked Tressel, (I live in OSU country) but I don't think that our tenuous relationship NCAA wise would allow us to hore someone with recent NCAA complications...

    GO VOLS!

    Butch Davis is the answer and would stop UT from embarrassing itself on the national stage by being turned down by average coaches.

    DCVOL

  • doberVol said...

    Well, Mr. Fill-in-the-blanks or someone else in the "nationally perceived as a huge win" category, I remember posting at least three times that we either needed to come right out and be prepared to pay 6-8 mill. per year for a "splash" hire, or forget about them and just by Giant Savings" href="#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MjUzMzg6MTAzMzpzdGFydDplYmE2NWFiYjA4OGEwOWFkYTY5YWYwNTczY2VmMTI0OTp6LTEyNDItODQ3MDY6dGVubmVzc2VlLjI0N3Nwb3J0cy5jb206MTQ3Mzg6MjEyNDA2MjhiNmU5OTRhZGRlZDQ0YmNmODU1ZWRlN2I">start out with the "B" tier coaches. You respectfully disagreed at the time. I still think I was pretty close. Starting out with more than the ego-splash coach was even going to ask for says he's a god, and would be worshipped here, and we want him as much as life himself. Those kind of guys tend to think they're worth it, and it takes that to get their attention.

    I'd still like to know what would have happened if we'd thrown out 6 per year for starters for a big name and worked our way up quickly, then forgotten about it and moved on. We reportedly threw out $4.7 mill. to Strong today and were nationally humiliated, w/some reports having Hart, his wife, and Cheek left all alone holding flowers on the runway. If we came at him, or Gundy, with a ton of money a week earlier, we might could have hired either of them for less than $4.7, if they didn't already think they were our second and third, if not third and fourth, choices.

    Hart's not only boogered up this by Giant Savings" href="#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MjU3Mzc6OTczOmhpcmluZzpiMzhjZDVlYzc2ODZmMGYwNmJiZWRiZTMzZmE4ODc1Yjp6LTEyNDItODQ3MDY6dGVubmVzc2VlLjI0N3Nwb3J0cy5jb206MTU0NjI6MTJhNjgzOWNjNGVmZjE3ZWI0YzEzN2I0NjBkN2M3MDA">hiring process, he's (and Cheek's) made us a national laughingstock in a way that even losing, and then losing some more, could not. Say what you will, that isn't good at all for recruiting, when the kids turn on the radio or get on twitter and hear/see everyone laughing about what bungling idiots we are. Even if not true, in this day and age, perception becomes reality.

    And I by Giant Savings" href="#" in_rurl="http://i.trkjmp.com/click?v=VVM6MjkyNjU6MTY1NTphZ3JlZTo5YzExYTM0MTJmMWVlZTdmMWYyMTljNjAzZGEzZTE2NTp6LTEyNDItODQ3MDY6dGVubmVzc2VlLjI0N3Nwb3J0cy5jb206MjQ0ODU6NzE5MDI1NzY1OGQ3MDA4YTlkZjhjZGZiNDg0MjFjNWY">agree that, as you stated, he may now have to just come out and admit he goofed and wrote checks with his mouth about a HC w/HC experience that his persuasion and negotiation skills couldn't cash, except in the form of checks from his targets' current employers.

    We can't evaluate completely until this whole mess is over, but it's looking entirely possible that when you consider what Hammy had to work with in context, versus what Hart had/has now, Hart may not be doing a better job of finding us a coach than Hamilton did. In other words, there's a good chance that we may all say after the hire that, "Good grief! Hammy could've hired THAT guy!"

    Hart's hire better win and win quick, or Hart will inherit the wind, along with his new hire, and Cheek.

    as usual dober, you are spot on.. I've been saying to anyone who would listen that you cannot approach this as if you were any other employee, where you gather resume's, do interviews of various people and tell each of them "well, we are interested in you, but we are continuing our search and will advise you if we want to hire you.." You arent hiring a secretary for god's sake. You are hiring a head football coach at UT. You decide who you want and you come out swinging agressively. The day after Dooley is fired, if Hart gets on a plane and walks into Strong's office and says, "Charlie, you are my first stop. We want you. How much will it take? What's that, it will take $4 mill? Tell you what, here's 5 million.." you think Strong turns him down then? I think probably not. Now quit messing around and go find the best coach out there and keep writing zeroes on the check until the guy says "yes".

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    DCVOL

  • Shipperman said...

    Fulmer was .325 against the top 25 his last 6-7 years. Why would you want to go backwards again? When Florida, Bama, SC, etc. fans want you to rehire Fulmer, what does that tell you? Everything you hear are just rumors and speculation. Hart isn't talking

    I'm all for moving "Forward" and we are on our FOURTH attempt at moving forward now. At some point hiring Fulmer is a WAY better hire than another C list or bottom B list hire. You say Fulmer was .325 against top 25 in his last 6-7? First, I find that hard to believe with THREE 10+ win seasons and THREE SEC East Crowns, but hey I'll take your word for it. So, I ask you, What was our win percentage against top 25 opponents the last FOUR years?

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  • tel614 said...

    Because he's a truly great coach who has taken a big time program that was in the dumps and turned it around. There just aren't that many guys out there who have done and can do that. I think you have to believe he's learned his lesson and would probably run the cleanest program in the country (have you ever hung out with a reformed smoker or drinker?).

    That's all well and good, but you would have to go before the NCAA and explain to them what procedures you have put in place to make sure he behaves over and above the procedures you have in place now. Not to mention the fact that we are under extended probation already. If he screwed up at all you would be risking the death penalty! He is not worth the risk!

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  • To those clamoring for Fulmer to come back, just a reminder ... he was a combined 3-9 in his last four years against Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.

    Just call Butch Davis and end this crap.

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    frostyvol

  • It would seem to me to be a good idea to go after the coaches that actually want to coach at Tenn rather than those they have to convince. Get the best one of those.

    w4tey

  • JBakes said...

    It's like I am in junior high again, reading the posts on these boards. Grow the hell up. Who gives two sh*ts what twitter says, or what a bunch of UF, ALA, UGA fans are saying. Who cares.

    Gundy was a horrible choice. What has he ever done? He sure hasn't coached any D that I can see. And he is an OKSt guy through and through. He was never coming to Knoxville.

    Strong was a good candidate, but he had made it pretty clear that he did not want to leave. The only mistake UT made was flying up there with a counter. They should have said "take it or leave it" re the first offer.

    Gruden was a pipe dream.

    UT was and still is the best available job this offseason.

    Aub did not get their first choice. Does anyone here truly think Malzahn was choice #1? Please.

    Ark absolutely did not get their first choice. Gruden, then Gundy, then Jones all said NO.

    The objective is to get a good coach. Period. Whether it be the 1st or 5th guy you interview. The objective is not to be able to talk smack to those same UF, UGA, ALA fans on twitter/talk boards and boast that you got the 1st guy. They don't care. They're going to talk smack about UT anyways.

    This has some great points in it... I don't necessarily agree with everything... I think Gundy was a very good choice, but the chances of getting him were low... but focusing on what I agree with and have been trying to say as well... the people remaining on our list, no matter where the sit on our list, are still head and shoulder better hires then what Auburn or Arkansas got.

    +1 JBakes

    bgosnell151 ●

  • FlyingGod3080 said...

    How bout John Chavis?

    John doesn't have Head Coaching experience, he didn't go on the road a lot when he was at UT during recruiting. Plus, I have not heard of him wanting a Head Coach job.

    scvols

  • Can't Peyton talk tony dungee into coaching again ????? That would be insane !!!

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