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Wes, throw us a bone would ya?

  • You have to know more about the coaching situation than you're letting on. How do you think this is gonna play out? Not asking for you to report something officially... just wondering what your instinct is based on the things you've heard.

    volfan28

  • Not Wes obviously, but I can tell ya no one really knows anything right now. At least nothing concrete enough to even speculate with confidence. A case could be made by Hart either way if 8 wins is met. I honestly think a wait and see approach has been taken. Hart isn't talking and if he has, the people he has spoken with aren't talking.

    volfan002

  • volfan002 said...

    Not Wes obviously, but I can tell ya no one really knows anything right now. At least nothing concrete enough to even speculate with confidence. A case could be made by Hart either way if 8 wins is met. I honestly think a wait and see approach has been taken. Hart isn't talking and if he has, the people he has spoken with aren't talking.

    lol

    You were lighting up Dooley in Treece's time slot today.

    wataugavol

  • I didn't say anything that wasn't true. I had a lot of content, probably could have went four hours. Definitely didn't intend on spending that much time on Dooley, but that's what the listeners/callers were wanting to discuss today.

    volfan002

  • volfan002 said...

    I didn't say anything that wasn't true. I had a lot of content, probably could have went four hours. Definitely didn't intend on spending that much time on Dooley, but that's what the listeners/callers were wanting to discuss today.

    Got to give people what they want! This coach talk will dominate TSR for the next 3 weeks.

    wataugavol

  • Oh yeah, regardless of which direction the AD goes, the topic de'jour will be coaching for a very long time. Whether it be why is Dooley still here or if they fire him Who will the new guy be....

    volfan002

  • volfan002 said...

    Oh yeah, regardless of which direction the AD goes, the topic de'jour will be coaching for a very long time. Whether it be why is Dooley still here or if they fire him Who will the new guy be....

    What is your gut feeling Dooley fired or not?

    et4vols

  • My gut is he is gone. I just don't see how you could spin this with the fans and big money people who want to make a change if you keep him. I can't think of a DC that would come for reasonable money/buyout if you let Sal go, I don't see people being excited going into next season w/ CDD still at the helm, and at the end of the season I just think the lack of dollars and cents will ultimately make the decision to let him go. If UT drops a game before then, I think the decision is that much easier, but if they win out it becomes a little more difficult, but I think public perception is so far gone on Dooley that you almost can't keep him regardless.

    volfan002

  • volfan002 said...

    My gut is he is gone. I just don't see how you could spin this with the fans and big money people who want to make a change if you keep him. I can't think of a DC that would come for reasonable money/buyout if you let Sal go, I don't see people being excited going into next season w/ CDD still at the helm, and at the end of the season I just think the lack of dollars and cents will ultimately make the decision to let him go. If UT drops a game before then, I think the decision is that much easier, but if they win out it becomes a little more difficult, but I think public perception is so far gone on Dooley that you almost can't keep him regardless.

    Thank you and I agree. The whole if we win out situation is the reason I wish they would have made announcement he was fired after usc game. I never want us to lose but I have heard a few hoping we do so they will not have a choice.

    et4vols

  • volfan002 said...

    My gut is he is gone. I just don't see how you could spin this with the fans and big money people who want to make a change if you keep him. I can't think of a DC that would come for reasonable money/buyout if you let Sal go, I don't see people being excited going into next season w/ CDD still at the helm, and at the end of the season I just think the lack of dollars and cents will ultimately make the decision to let him go. If UT drops a game before then, I think the decision is that much easier, but if they win out it becomes a little more difficult, but I think public perception is so far gone on Dooley that you almost can't keep him regardless.

    I'm going to go against the grain and say I would be excited if Dooley came back next year if only for the sole purpose of seeing this offense in action another year, BUT.....I would expect to see changes defensively. I know this whole public perception is out there, but the public has been wrong before. Dooley needs more time.

    As far as the boosters are concerned, they remind of lobbyists. Always dangling the dollars to get what they want.

    kjohnson008

  • kjohnson008 said...

    I'm going to go against the grain and say I would be excited if Dooley came back next year if only for the sole purpose of seeing this offense in action another year, BUT.....I would expect to see changes defensively. I know this whole public perception is out there, but the public has been wrong before. Dooley needs more time.

    As far as the boosters are concerned, they remind of lobbyists. Always dangling the dollars to get what they want.

    What offense are you talking about. 2 out of Bray, CP and Hunter won't be here, possibly all 3. Offense won't be even close to as good. It could be okay but it ain't going to be close to what we have shown.

    hdrizzle21

  • kjohnson008 said...

    I'm going to go against the grain and say I would be excited if Dooley came back next year if only for the sole purpose of seeing this offense in action another year, BUT.....I would expect to see changes defensively. I know this whole public perception is out there, but the public has been wrong before. Dooley needs more time.

    As far as the boosters are concerned, they remind of lobbyists. Always dangling the dollars to get what they want.

    What about former players? I have heard Erik Ainge, Jason Swain, Fuad Revis and Bobby Scott all going off about Dooley and his way of running the program this weekend. I think the former players hold more merit.

    et4vols

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    What offense are you talking about. 2 out of Bray, CP and Hunter won't be here, possibly all 3. Offense won't be even close to as good. It could be okay but it ain't going to be close to what we have shown.

    If Dooley is gone, so is Bray, Hunter, and CP. Is Dooley stays, chances are greater they might stay. Bray still needs to grow up, and both Hunter and CP need to be more consistent.

    kjohnson008

  • et4vols said...

    What about former players? I have heard Erik Ainge, Jason Swain, Fuad Revis and Bobby Scott all going off about Dooley and his way of running the program this weekend. I think the former players hold more merit.

    In what way is he running the program that is not acceptable to former players? On or off the field? Or both?

    And yes, former players hold merit but I'm not sure they hold more merit. Just because you're a former player doesn't mean you know what's best for the program or you know how to run it better. Case in point...Michael Jordan. One of the greatest basketball players ever.....terrible owner.

    kjohnson008

  • kjohnson008 said...

    If Dooley is gone, so is Bray, Hunter, and CP. Is Dooley stays, chances are greater they might stay. Bray still needs to grow up, and both Hunter and CP need to be more consistent.

    I disagree. I don't think Dooley being our coach next year has anything whatsoever to do with the draft decisions of Bray, Hunter or CP.

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  • MiltonVol said...

    I disagree. I don't think Dooley being our coach next year has anything whatsoever to do with the draft decisions of Bray, Hunter or CP.

    Sure it would. If a whole new staff is brought in including a new OC, what would be the incentive for the three of them to stay and learn a completely new system and potentially damage their draft position?

    kjohnson008

  • kjohnson008 said...

    In what way is he running the program that is not acceptable to former players? On or off the field? Or both?

    And yes, former players hold merit but I'm not sure they hold more merit. Just because you're a former player doesn't mean you know what's best for the program or you know how to run it better. Case in point...Michael Jordan. One of the greatest basketball players ever.....terrible owner.

    Both. They say he is not a good x and o coach and berates the players. The former players do not feel welcome in the football complex. He preaches vfl but then doesn't want the former players around. This is some of the things these former players have said on the radio. I have no personal inside information just hearsay from the radio shows.

    et4vols

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  • kjohnson008 said...

    Sure it would. If a whole new staff is brought in including a new OC, what would be the incentive for the three of them to stay and learn a completely new system and potentially damage their draft position?

    I disagree that Dooley's coaching gives them any incentive to stay. And you cannot convince me that there is an offense out there that would have any appreciable effect on their draft stock. At least no offense that would be run at the University of Tennessee.

    On the flip side, there are potential head coaches out there who I believe WOULD add appreciably to their draft stock. Just not Dooley.

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  • kjohnson008 said...

    As far as the boosters are concerned, they remind of lobbyists. Always dangling the dollars to get what they want.

    Why is this immoral? If they pay for buildings, renovate Neyland, put up $$$ for the new football complex, Thornton Center, Peyton's locker room donation, whoever pays for the new athletic dorms, etc., and donate huge sums yearly, they have every right to expect their voice carries a ton more weight than that of the average fan.

    If average fan money was all this program had, we'd be a larger version of Tennessee Tech (Go, Da'Rick!!). We all get to enjoy a lot of the things surrounding the program that we do because of those donors.

    Athletic donors aren't always dangling the dollars; they're instead always being chased for dollars; and quite rightly, they expect something in return.

    I'm sure as heck no big money donor, BUT I can promise you that IF I was, and IF the athletic department was always chasing me with their hand out begging for my money, I'd demand a say in policy decisions, especially when it comes to something as important as coaching decisions.

    I don't know it for certain, but people I trust have told me that Thunder has not donated nearly as much money since Fulmer was fired, b/c he's reportedly still P.O.'d about it. That's the way not just this business works, but all business works.

    "Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat." Sir Robin's Minstrels.

    doberVol

  • hdrizzle21 said...

    What offense are you talking about. 2 out of Bray, CP and Hunter won't be here, possibly all 3. Offense won't be even close to as good. It could be okay but it ain't going to be close to what we have shown.

    It will be different but you have no way of knowing if it will not be as good. Worley is more in line with the QB's that Chaney has had success with in the past. Accurate, smart, more mobile than Bray and you have an exciting backup in Peterson. You would also have Croom, Pig, Bowles, Blanc...a very talented group with some very good commitments and that does not take into account any JUCO's we might get. Most of the OL will be back with some talented guys to replace those who leave. Downs and Meredith will be, at the least, adequate at TE. Will we strike as quick? No. Can we score as many points? in many cases yes. Will this style of Offense help the defense? Yes. So taken as a whole it will be a better offense. JMO

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