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volfan28 said...
Edit: I quoted the wrong poster. My apologies.
Here comes some wisdom, brace yourself.
LWS is right. The last 4 yrs have put our program in a bad place. You don't recover from that over night. It takes time. The question for me is, are we on the right track? What is the right track? Personally, I think we need to put ourselves in position to win 7 or 8 g/yr consistently. From there, our tradition and facilities will be enough to pull in elite recruits. We can win 7 or 8 g/yr without elite talent. Look at MSU and Vandy. What do they have that we don't? Stability. They have an established system on both sides of the ball and that familiarity is why they are where they are. Are we on the road to stability? Yes. Our staff has great chemistry, and the core has been together for a while. I don't expect that to change. Not only that, the system they are installing is proven on both sides of the ball. In yr 3, UT will be a shoe-in 8 wins, maybe more, depending on recruiting. Our tradition and facilities will take over from there. Keep your head up.
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volfan28 said...
Edit: I quoted the wrong poster. My apologies.
Here comes some wisdom, brace yourself.
LWS is right. The last 4 yrs have put our program in a bad place. You don't recover from that over night. It takes time. The question for me is, are we on the right track? What is the right track? Personally, I think we need to put ourselves in position to win 7 or 8 g/yr consistently. From there, our tradition and facilities will be enough to pull in elite recruits. We can win 7 or 8 g/yr without elite talent. Look at MSU and Vandy. What do they have that we don't? Stability. They have an established system on both sides of the ball and that familiarity is why they are where they are. Are we on the road to stability? Yes. Our staff has great chemistry, and the core has been together for a while. I don't expect that to change. Not only that, the system they are installing is proven on both sides of the ball. In yr 3, UT will be a shoe-in 8 wins, maybe more, depending on recruiting. Our tradition and facilities will take over from there. Keep your head up.
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coonhound said...
This stuff always goes in cycles and we are in a down cycle. We have at least partially brought it on ourselves though. We had a most successful coach who had two down years back to back and we wanted and got his head. So basically as a fan base we have established that we are not willing to put up with a couple of bad years before we start crowing for a new coach. Other than Nick Saban there are no other coaches that are good enough to put together a sustainable dynasty but we seem to keep believing if we go through enough coaches we'll find our Nick Saban. In the mean time we lose players on the roster and we lose recruits. We can't understand why our program is on a downward spin. There is no doubt the former AD made a couple of bad hires and there is no guarantee, regardless of the giddy enthusiasm, that the new staff will bring us back to the top. If they don't, the spiral will continue. We just have to be patient with this new staff. We must reduce our immediate expectations. If we don't it is not unlikely we'll go through another turnover in 3 years and this downward spiral will continue until we are completely inconsequential. We must keep realistic expectations and give the new guy an opportunity to build this program, even through bad times. Trust me, there are going to be some trying times ahead, some embarrassing losses and some dissapoitment. Sermon over, I'll pass the plate later.
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volfan28 said...
Edit: I quoted the wrong poster. My apologies.
Here comes some wisdom, brace yourself.
LWS is right. The last 4 yrs have put our program in a bad place. You don't recover from that over night. It takes time. The question for me is, are we on the right track? What is the right track? Personally, I think we need to put ourselves in position to win 7 or 8 g/yr consistently. From there, our tradition and facilities will be enough to pull in elite recruits. We can win 7 or 8 g/yr without elite talent. Look at MSU and Vandy. What do they have that we don't? Stability. They have an established system on both sides of the ball and that familiarity is why they are where they are. Are we on the road to stability? Yes. Our staff has great chemistry, and the core has been together for a while. I don't expect that to change. Not only that, the system they are installing is proven on both sides of the ball. In yr 3, UT will be a shoe-in 8 wins, maybe more, depending on recruiting. Our tradition and facilities will take over from there. Keep your head up.
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acetylcholine said...
I think what volfan is saying is 7-8 games per year consistently. I think we can win at least 7 games year one, 8 or so year 2 and at the very least 8 by year 3. That will get us to bowl games, and if we can win a couple of those, we will be set. Just look what winning some games has done for Vandy. Just the fact that we are in the top 3 with these elite guys is really an accomplishment. If you were an elite recruit, would you go to a team with a losing record 3 years in a row? Especially, when other top tier programs that are winning are begging you to come there? Even if we miss on all the other elite targets, we have enough talent to get to bowl games. Once we do that, things will really start to improve. And we may actually be able to close the deal on one or two of these guys on NSD. If that happens, it's just icing on the cake.
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LWSVOL said...
losing record 3 of last 4 years. 4th head coach in last 6 years.
getting big time recruits is going to be very difficult with the above.
program needs to pull out a huge win to jump start interest from elite recruits. Beat a top 10 team.. something like that or hire a staff of elite recruiters which this staff is not made up of elite recruiters.
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