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  • frostyvol said...

    i think the fan bases that praise the worthiness of lower rated players are typically the teams that dont get the higher rated recruits. And i have said it a million times if i have said it once, there is a reason some players are rated higher than others. It's not random assignment of star ratings. There are some pretty intelligent scouting people out there who make these determinations. The higher rated players are, in general, the better players. period. that's why, in general, the teams that get the highest rated recruits are the better teams. its not a real complicated concept.

    Frosty is dead on.

    EastDillon2010

  • EastDillon2010 said...

    Let me tell you something - ask CBJ and he would likely tell you he would take the 4 star/5 star over any 2 star/3 star no matter how willing they are to run through a wall. Guys like Saban (and hopefully CBJ) are confident enough in their ability to get the top recruits to buy in.

    EastDillon2010 I have personally talked to CBJ and that's what he told me. "Give me a Kid with Heart and Soul and the Ability to be Coachable along with being Talented and Intelligent" his comment on stars***** was this"
    " I don't make my final Decision based on Stars*****" I make my final Decisions based on My Knowledge and Experience of recognizing wether a Kid can make it at the Next Level and Not have to be BabySitted and pampered throughout their careers. Dedication,Heart,soul and the ability to learn!!

    Admiral 1966

  • frostyvol said...

    Yeah, of course, if you have legit character concerns, obviously that factors in as well as the talent evaluation. What im saying is that character concerns arent dependent on your star rating. And all things being equal, you want the better player, who is typically the higher rated player.

    Regarding Hurd, he is a 5 star player because of his ability and production. He is where he is because he obviously works hard and is committed to being a great player. If he were lazy, ambivalent and a knuckle head, he likely wouldnt be a 5 star player. And Im all for players who "want" to be here, and are willing to do whatever it takes to win, and help recruit others, but, AGAIN, i'd rather have that player have elite talent than not, and i suspect so would you. After all, there is no shortage of 1 star kids in Tennessee who would "want to be at Tennessee", would be "willing to do whatever it takes to win in Knoxville", and would work to recruit others...but im guessing you wouldnt want them on our team. You win with talent, not with people who "want" to be here. The state is full of kids who "want" to be here, but they dont have the talent to compete at an elite SEC level. We must get those elite kids. And so far, next years class is looking like it will be full of them..

    Well stated. The star rating is the basis for a physical talent evaluation, not whether or not a kid is going to fail 27 drug tests in four years and eventually get kicked off the team. By definition, a 5* kid should be more athletically gifted than a 3* of the same position. Like you said, I could fill the stadium with kids who "want to be at Tennessee." It's not a question of desire, it's a question of ability. Most of those kids simply are not ABLE to compete athletically with bigger, stronger, faster kids. Sure there is the kid who comes out of nowhere to be great, but many of these evaluations are pretty good; that's why coaches pay mega money per season for the scouting service's evaluations. I don't know of any legitimately contending SEC team right now that is filling its roster exclusively with 3* players. Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Texas A&M, SC are all recruiting the best rated players in the country and that's why they are winning. Give Saban a team full of skinny kids who run 4.8s and he's not winning 3 out of 4. Butch Jones may be a great coach, but I don't think he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning the SEC next year. That's not a reflection of his coaching ability, he's just playing the cards he was dealt. He was dealt a roster that's not as talented as many of the teams he'll face. It's his job to make sure UT isn't in that same boat two years from now.

    WVa Vol

  • hounddog said...

    huh Holy punctuation Batman!huh

    Pretty sure I saw one period in that whole block of text

    StokedVol

  • StokedVol said...

    Pretty sure I saw one period in that whole block of text

    StokedVol you're CRAZY!!!! Hahaha

    Admiral 1966

  • I agree on Jalen Hurd!! He's the Real Deal as I'm sure every player that is recruited is also. Since you brought up the Star***** thing could you be more specific on how it works and who exactly is doing the evaluating and what are there credentials concerning playing football,Experience and at what level? Remember this is just a question? The Combines and camps you speak of and Highlight Videos and so on, Do you think or believe these are based solely on Talent and performance or do you believe it could be Highly Over-Rated$$$ depending on the basis of " It's not what you are but,it's who your not" Theory?

    Admiral 1966

  • hounddog said...

    huh Holy punctuation Batman!huh

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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